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musing about Synthetic Cultivators Setting
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my original idea was a story about a human managing to use True Code when it was thought only robots could but nah. robot society is more interesting to focus on from a worldbuilding standpoint
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get into the heads of the robots instead of having a boring relatable human
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so, the chief angles to consider are logistics and aesthetics
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machines can use mystical cosmic martial arts by interfacing with the underlying source code of the universe
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they can become stronger, learning more powerful techniques and reinforcing their bodies with energy
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because most mechanical lifeforms don't grow bigger and stronger over time like organics do, all physical strength enhancement comes from Code
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starting from street fighter and reaching into DBZ
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robots are not emotionless or specifically driven by logic
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they can think and feel. there are multiple civilizations with different cultures and even religions
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so, True Code is the overall umbrella name for the supernatural arts
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but I need snappy names for practicioners and the energy manipulated through it
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and to figure out how it differs from typical human magic systems
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if it's just the same with different names for things that's no fun
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but there's a greater variety of different styles and techniques, because not all robots are humanoid
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or the same size
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other questions to consider: how do you get stronger?
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since the techniques are a programming language, more sophisticated programs would give you probably more complex/versatile abilities
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but what about raw power
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possibly import an idea from Machine Soul here -
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each robot's soul is unique, and therefore awakening and cultivating power is a unique process
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and meditation is an iterative process
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you start with a basic awakening program, which will fail
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then you try hundreds, thousands of variations on it
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honing in on experiments that produce results
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until you gradually open your core to the power of the cosmos
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Here's a slightly different way to look at it, perhaps
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That I think might work better with this premise
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hit me
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Iterators/Iteration instead of Cultivators/Cultivation?
dragon time
Debug your soul
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Oh that's very strong
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Dead Mentors fuck that's good
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Anyway
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The reason that you give your cast a bunch of different cool powers with a story about humans
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Is that humans by baseline
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All have the same basic strucutre
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Two arms, two legs, one head, etc
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But we're coming at this from the other side
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Therefore what if your Iterators all have the SAME powers
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but their bodies are WILDLY different
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Because they can more easily customize them
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And the shape of your body is what gives you increasingly creative ways to use the same basic powerset
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hmm
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it would have to be a really good powerset
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Like okay
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"All Iterators can make aura blades to fight with"
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"This robot gave himself 8 extra arms"
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"So as to maximize the potential of that power
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It would be
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and I'm not sure I'm up to that challenge
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But that's my thought
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idk I think it feels too limiting on the bonkers shit that's on the table
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have varied powersets AND varied limb configurations
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If you want it to be about ROBOTS and not just "HUMANS BUT THEY'RE MADE OF METAL" then you at least gotta get weird about it
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yeah
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What my mind leapt to was something that looks kinda like Blame! but less bleak
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I know what to call the first two Iterator ranks and after that I'm not sure
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but, Alpha and Beta
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I like it
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maybe after that it goes by a version number. 1.0, 1.1, 2.0
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that's like copper and iron
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with secondary number increments being minor level ups
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you're still establishing what your going to be
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and primary number increments being the huge power gulfs
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you're*
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what's Robot Qi called. I can think of some simple ones but they either don't sell the robot angle or are too long
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because whatever your magic energy source is, you have to say it 200 times
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Data?
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Anyway I have the shape of an idea
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first of all: Is this setting interstellar?
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I think so
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okay
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Hyperdimensional macroengineering
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I think it's like a million years post-humanity
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These robot people are doing something that's like
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making a framework of hyperdimensional computer systems that overlay all of reality in an adjacent dimension
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But it's not omnipresent across the universe
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It's a physical system that is being built as new planets are settled
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is that the thing that True Code is interacting with
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yes
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I'm into it
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there's a network dimension
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Either we created True Code
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or we created a system that lets us interact with True Code
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Inspiration: The Backyard in Guilty Gear
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right
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I think it could be more interesting as something that exists but that the current civilization doesn't really understand
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Something out there is gradually expanding the Framework
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but it's ancient and unknowable
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forgotten interdimensional von neumann machines
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Humans made it millions of years ago
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A network across the entire galaxy
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all the current civilizations know is that there's a region of space where True Code works
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and outside of it is lawless chaos
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and a lot more organic life
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But the methods to make it are lost and there are dead zones startign to appear
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eldritch beings that grow and shift on their own
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what if organics are the enemy monsters of the setting
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I'm picturing something like the "bad guys" in Gargantia
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they've started to develop some new abilities that let them threaten machine civilizations
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or just, evolved bigger and stronger and weirder
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god what were those things called
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Hideauze
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Just giant space squids
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yeah
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shooting biolasers
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part hideause, part tyranids, part Space Monsters
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and ripping apart spaceships with giant tentacles
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Held back only by the power of the Iterators
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a space squid the size of a small moon swims into orbit around a planet and starts dropping spores
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But Iterators can't fight in the dead zones
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So those are just the edge of civilization
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this setting sounds metal as HELL
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maybe the metaplot is about journeying to the ancient origins of synthetic life to find a way to repair the Framework
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I'm calling it the Framework because it reminds me of Firmament and that appeals to my brain
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Firmware
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the protagonist learns somehow that the Framework is dying, and in a distressingly close point in the future it will stop working completely
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Firmware. that's better
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in Cradlesque plot, maybe there are Iterators who are SO powerful that they're drawing more power than the Firmware can provide
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And that's what's damaging it
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But we can't get rid of them because they're the ones protecting the galaxy! And also they have the power to split planets!
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So who's gonna tell them to stop?
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Are the bio monsters sapient?
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I'm not sure
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With a story like this I think it depends on their role in the story
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If you want them to be significant to the protagonist’s journey there should be sapient biological life. If they’re just a background threat then having them just be kinda mindless is probably fine
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I think the angle is that they're an external pressure adding stakes to the Firmware collapse
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Humanity evolved beyond the need for sapience, but their machines kept going
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oh the monsters as future humans is an interesting angle
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I think that if you assume that then making the machines just be the leftover stuff that humanity abandoned creates some interesting parallels
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oh?
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Just, like
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The robot people have developed into a civilization that is comprehensible to you and me after millions of years because their origins are literally the machines that made our civilization possible
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Banking computers and construction robots who had to figure out a new life when humans abandoned them
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shades of Last Command
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so maybe the timeline is something like
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- Rise of humanity
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- Development of machine life and the Firmware
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- Humanity does an instrumentality or something and leaves the galaxy and their physical forms behind
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- The discarded robots become the machine civilization
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- The physical bodies of the humans become the space monsters
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- Humanity possibly still exists but in a new form, inside the Firmament
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may I also offer
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While the actual human descendants are far more alien
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the final goal of the robot's ascension is to achieve such transcendence that they also leave their physical body behind and become part of the True Code, expanding the True Code further out into the cosmos
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oho
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so that's the xian
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Interesting
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you become part of the Firmament itself, and reunite with the ancient precursors
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although they don't know the latter part
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because once you ascend you can't come back
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I like the idea of the monsters being just as discarded remnants of humanity as the machines
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yeah
the firmament grows and spreads outward whenever a new cultivator adds their own code to the firmament
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(a new iterator*)
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new iterator
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wait
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this gives us a conflict source
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the reason the Firmware is dying is that powerful iterators have stopped ascending
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they want to stay in reality, ruling it
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We’ve reverse engineered Cradle
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it might be a little too Cradle honestly
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also I've been thinking i really want the main villain to be a human
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either one who returned from the Firmware or someone who's kept themself alive for millions of years somehow
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Returned gives a nice conflict source of like
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“Thanks for looking after our civilization for a few million years.”
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“I’ll have it back, now”
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it works, but it's also kind of disconnected from the idea of the Firmament decay
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but it also does have a possible initial hook, in this human finding a way to contact the real world and reaching out to the protagonist to tell them to save the Firmament
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possibly simultaneously manipulating them to find a way to breach back into reality
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a sealed demon king
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slides in.
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one more thought.
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Part one: “fix the firmament so humanity can finally return”
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firmament expands when an iterator ascends and adds their code to the code of firmament.
but we've also established there's some strange, unknowable, eldritch force, also expanding firmament.
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Part two: “SIKE IT WAS ME DIO ALL ALONG”
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the eldritch force expanding firmament is causing it to collapse, spreading it too widely with too few iterator's codes to keep it stable.
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OK here's a possible spin
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the Firmware is automatically expanded over time, via a system the humans set up eons ago
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or maybe one that came later, depending on how the timeline shakes out
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and because it's expanding, its power is weakening
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and eventually it will collapse
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but if iterators were ascending, it would remain stable over time
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and our villain, the last human, is trying to stop the expansion of the network instead of letting the machines ascend
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it's not very evil though, the firmware is already huge
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I'm starting to lean in the direction of it being an immortal human who refused to ascend rather than a returned human from the firmware
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Maybe the last human is trying to encourage MORE iterators to ascend
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Before they’re ready
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while I'm spitballing
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Gotta keep up with the growth
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maybe we go a different direction from the 'robots ascending into the firmament' angle
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and the reason the firmware is collapsing is because more and more of it is being required to keep The Human alive
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Humanity lives in the firmware but they’ve been there so long that they’re largely catatonic and bloated energy beings
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But the last humans still capable of thought demand that the machines keep working to serve them
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mm I don't like making humanity as a whole a villainous parasite species
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Seems like the logical conclusion to “the firmware is collapsing is because more and more of it is being required to keep The Human alive”
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that's one human feeding on the firmware, not the firmware itself being a bloated waste
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Oh okay so it’s just one guy
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The Human, singular
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Ah, I didn’t notice that The Human was singular
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ultimately any ending where the firmware is destroyed sucks because it means erasing all the cool kung fu adventures from the setting
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man I really do like the idea of machines ascending into computer heaven though
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Yeah I do t think destroying the firmware is the answer
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Don’t*
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I want to find a way to tie together the threads of
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1. The firmware is dying and a way needs to be found to repair it
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2. Master Iterators ascend their consciousness into the firmware to become one with the posthuman collective consciousness
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3. One human is separated from the transcended humanity and is the bad guy
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to continue a computer metaphor:
- The Human is a program with a memory leak, taking up more and more and more and more of the resources
- the memory leak program needs to be force quit
- The Human does not want to be force quit and so gathers more of the resources into themself, accelerating the collapse
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- sick ending where an army of robot kung-fu ghosts return from the firmware to help beat the shit out of this guy
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I like the idea of the Firmware having the cosmic equivalent of a memory leak
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that's really good
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it's stopping functioning because resources aren't getting cleaned up
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because one rogue process is monopolizing them
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that ties it together for me I think
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so maybe it's the human collective that sends out the distress call, and the rogue human is manipulating events to hide and protect himself
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events and iterator factions
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I think The Human never transcended, but the measures he's taken to prolong his life for eons has partially bound him to the Firmware, so he has one foot in both worlds
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giving him strange, eldritch powers
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I think he should have a goal
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yeah that's the next thing
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what's he doing
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with all this time
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Because we’ve done plenty of villains motivated by just raw greed
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he can't participate in society because human society left and machines would be freaked out by a human hanging out with them
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so he's gotta be doing something
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Maybe he always thought transcendence was a bad idea, for some reason
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no pizza in energy heaven
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And his goal has always been to “save” humanity by turning them back into flesh and blood beings
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trying to pull humanity back out of the Firmware
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maybe trying to destroy firmware is also his goal as part of it
as some sort of grand act of self-sacrifice to 'save' the rest of humanity, but no one else wants that
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A fear for the fate of his species, combined with not seeing machines as people, could create a pretty horrifying villain
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here's what I'm thinking
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99.9% of humanity transcended reality
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a handful, including this guy, stayed behind, to continue into a soft twilight age as humanity winds down
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but he wanted to live past it, and found various fucked up ways to prolong his life past the extinction of the human race
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Like one of those guys who’s like “GAY MARRIAGE IS DESTROYING AMERICA” despite the divorce rate being the lowest it’s been in decades
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and then, wandered the fringes of the galaxy, exploring for ages
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Just can’t accept that evidence says he’s fucking wrong and no one agrees with him anymore
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but, because he doesn't recognize robots as alive
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he's alone
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so in order to cure his own twisted ancient longing to escape solitude, he wants to tear humanity back down to earth
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which would, theoretically, begin a new golden age of humanity, while destroying the Firmware, causing space monsters to wipe out the machine civilization
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but who cares about those leftovers
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an enlightened but present humanity will be able to thrive in a hostile galaxy
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Shades of Qilby from Wakfu
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driven insane by loneliness and boredom
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Not a copy of him but like the same motivation fueled by a grief that no one else can understand
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Is The Human known by the machine civilization or does he operate in the shadows?
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“Demons” are just humans who like to keep an eye on the physical world
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