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[Writer’s Strike] https://images.plurk.com/6qOgLPJEd8HTolZfu5CZRq.jpg
baboon2807
time to sell 10 billion barbenheimer tickets
giant5031
ty nonny
cashew913
I will see Barbie eight times now
snail6756
I too will see barbie
and yeah that's the standard, the unions will generally send out a message when they expect people to boycott something
snail6756
seeing stuff that's already been made or pending release after completion is generally fine!
tiger4708
TY for the share.
bacon8988
Yeah like seeing stuff that has been made or in post production and getting ready for release is generally fine. It is things the studio decided to use non union actors to stand in to complete a movie or used AI to complete a movie
bacon8988
For example, Lilo & Stitch live action was almost done filming. If Disney decided to use AI or non union actors to reshoot the film that would be one to boycott
wizard3183
we need to make everyone believe we love Margot Robbie as Barbie and skew all the numbers
swan6811
TV/movies for the rest of the year is by and large fine (as it was already filmed/in post. Movies some of next year are fine-ish (reshoots are... dubious but film production timelines measure in years so the exact lines in the sand are hard generally it'll be a film to film basis).
bacon8988
Another example would be Wicked: Part One aka the film adaption of the musical. They were supposed to finish filming two weeks from now. If they decided to reshoot the film or use cgi/ai then that would be one to boycott
apple9861
another reason to watch Barbie: Ryan Gosling went into the Ken personality too hard and now he's full of Kenergy and giving unhinged, wholesome interviews
apple9861
they delight me
apple9861
apple9861
bacon8988
Now there are some British tv and movies that are still filming because they are under a different contract but Andor completely stopped filming in solidarity despite most of its actors not being in Sag
bacon8988
apple9861: omg I love it
baboon2807
gosling's kenergy has fried his brain and we have to watch barbie to support him
ramen9206
Awesome to know
swan6811
Yeah, foreign media depend a lot on who is producing it. Andor being for Disney+ and Disney being one of the major players this strike is against is a thing.
swan6811
Netflix, Disney, and HBOMax all have an even chance of being a producer (funding the project) or a distributor (buying the rights to play it in their country of operation). The former is a problem (as they could do more foreign productions to try and skirt the strike), the latter is fine (because the product was already being made).
gnu4987
not for nothing but I'm still so upset that they didn't even use a picture of the cinnabon flavored pillsbury cinnamon rolls for the tweet where he was talking about cinnabon, they just used the normal version
pita9848
Thanks anon, I was trying to find what the unions asked for wrt to still going to the movies etc. but I had trouble finding info.
pita9848
mmmm pita
shabu5688
Disney being shitty? what a surprise
otter896
Remember it's the suits, the C-suite inhabitants, the 7-8-figure salary guys who are the villains in this. It's not even the distributors themselves, cinema chains, etc. who are refusing to negotiate in good faith.

What actors ARE allowed to work on during the strike:
otter896
Talk shows, variety shows, reality competition shows, game shows, award shows and documentaries (unless they’re being released theatrically); soap operas; commercials (including sponsored content from influencers), sound recordings, music videos, video games, corporate/educational content, broadcast news, television animation and audiobooks.
otter896
Turns out Actors' Equity in the U.K. are not allowed to sympathy strike, which means House of the Dragon is still in normal production.
falcon9173
"not allowed" by?
falcon9173
(Not defensive. Just curious!)
steak2560
sympathy strikes were outlawed by the Trade Disputes and Trade Unions Act 1927 in the UK
apple9861
British labor laws, google tells me
pita6477
uk...
steak2560
"As the strike has been authorised under legislation in the United States but is not lawful under United Kingdom legislation, you have no protection against being dismissed or sued for breach of contract by the producer or your engager if you take strike action or refuse to cross a picket." from Equity
cookie7700
have an eye on influencers now. since actors are not allowed to promote on social media right now, studios are going to try and drum up marketing hype via influencers with big bucks. and while SAG hasn't released anything specifically calling this scabbing, be mindful of the people who now suddenly show up with media related content
bear315
Okiro on Twitter
FAQs for Influencers | SAG-AFTRA Strike
sag has actually released a faq on the line between what is fine and what's scabbing for influencers
cookie7700
oohhhhh so basically, existing things should be fulfilled, but nobody should pick up the new offers to generate promo content / attend carpets / etc, that studios will inevitably roll out. this is going to be interesting
noodle3203
always listen to unions about whether or not you should boycott
pony4160
If you want to work for an indy, they have to make a deal with SAG (that they'll probably get, because indy).
gnu4987
there is even messaging from SAG about cosplayers
gnu4987
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1MPmiGWAAEZxDt?format=jpg&name=large
gnu4987
celery9070
that said i don't think it's out of line to say please don't harass cosplayers if they are cosplaying from struck work? not everybody is following news about the strikes and there are a ton of people who can't or don't have access to twitter right now in particular
moose59
it only technically applies to influencers, especially if they are in the guild or would want to be someday. if you're a casual fan wity no you can still cosplay what you want at events. i was just reading a twitter thread about it but naturally twitter being twitter I can't find it again
moose59
*with no following
baboon2807
fox5263
i will watch the heck out of the barbie movie
moose59
i think that was the one! there's a few going around & there seems to be a lot of confusion. i think for casual fans it's a personal decision if they want to refrain from cosplaying in solidarity, but as said by celery above, people don't deserve to be harassed over it if they do
sun2745
wow that's a lot of point-missing in the twitter threads
otter896
sun2745: Isn't there always?
taco567
gonna be honest, op of the twitter thread themselves is missing the point, and making big blanket statements that are not actually backed up by what SAG has been saying
taco567
SAG is asking influencers and cosplayers to not do promotional work. Promotional work, by SAG's own definition, means paid work.
taco567
like, it ain't work if it's not paid, it's just regular fan activity, which they've already said is okay.
taco567
people are going to take sweeping things like what OP of that post is doing and using it as an excuse to harass cosplayers and fanartists for "scabbing".
cat222
and it's also specifically influencers not just random fans like you and I
taco567
yeah, it feels like OP, perhaps mistakenly, sort of treated it like a blanket statement because people will use the term "influencer" and "content creator" for people who are not... actually paid to do that.
taco567
which as a cosplayer who just does this as an expression of fandom, i Really Wish They Would Not Do That, even outside of this situation, because i don't like having my hobby talked about like it's a business i should be participating in
taco567
just kinda feels gross
taco567
hell you already have people in the comments of that post responding to people just asking for clarification like they're scabbing, just. gross! all of that's gross!
candy7623
it's a pretty easy line to draw. Are you making money off your insta posts / tiktok whatever you're posting your cosplays on? well then no, you shouldn't be posting it. are you going to a convention having a good time as a fan? no big deal.
taco567
you'd think so, but between the blanket statements in that twitter post and the nature of people just looking for drama to entertain themselves with, that distinction isn't going to matter much, sadly.
turtle9430
yeah sadly
bacon8988
It doesn't helpt that tiktoker are misunderstanding the cosplay thing and the influencer thing
bacon8988
"I am a nano-influencer because I have 200 followers so I can't cosplay anymore or talk about anything anymore." Please email SAG to get clarification. You probably don't count
bacon8988
Also folks are calling the actors and writers "weak" for not asking for a boycott of their films and tv shows and streaming. Even though both SAG and WGA have both said that a boycott would hurt their argument
otter2903
yeah, you'd think people'd realize the brains behind the strike would have considered their options and what hurts and helps their point and be acting on that information. Where in the world are people getting "weak" from?
hen4681
There have not been enough labour action in the US in recent memory for people to know what strikes are meant to do
ape3772
it's because boycotts are more common than strikes in this country. even though like... boycotts are harder because it's very individualized.
solar4934
At this point I’m still unsure of what to do during the WGA/SAG strikes.
cat222
a good flowchart and breakdown
cat222
basically: unless you are getting paid by a studio please DO continue to cosplay, watch things and talk about things online
otter896
solar4934: Go see movies, share your opinion with your friends. Watch streams and reruns, because no new stuff will be made worth watching for a while unless it's a foreign or indy production. If you can contribute to the strike funds to keep people fed, please do! If you're in a city where you can join the picket lines, make a sign and go!
otter896
:-)
solar4934
Thanks otter.
ape3772
the flowchart is good.
cookie7700
cat222: that flowchart doesn't match for the SAG Influencer FAQ says about promoting struck work online
cat222
It does though? I just checked the FAQ against the flowchart to make sure
cat222
(I'm not the originator of the flowchart, it just happened across my view)
cat222
the flowchart is definitely far simplified, but it's the same information
earth3782
Good Omens 2???
cookie7700
cat222: it flows from "are you an influncer being paid" to "as long as you're not paid, you can post anything including [...] promotional material". the FAQ specifically states that if you're an influencer, you shouldn't do that:
cookie7700
Am I allowed to promote struck work on social media as a fan and not in a paid capacity?
Influencers should refrain from posting on social media about any struck work regardless of whether they are posting organically or in a paid capacity.
cookie7700
mind: this is specific to influencers, but the flowcharts goes from the influencer question to "you're fine as long as you don't get paid"
cat222
that's the same thing though - a paid influencer is a paid influencer regardless of what they're being paid for, it's a job title
cat222
so yes, as I said, the flowchart is simplified, but it's the same information as the FAQ
cat222
The flowchart could be clearer 'are you an influencer being paid' to 'no I am not a paid influencer' instead of just 'no I'm not paid', but I followed it the way it was intended (I can see how it could be misread/misinterpreted though)
cookie7700
the flow chart to me reads like "as long as you're not receiving money, as an influencer you're fine to do any sort of promo".
cat222
and I can see now how it could be read that way.
So, to clarify: if you ARE a paid influencer - even just being paid for project A, finish the promotion for Project A that you're contracted to do, then STOP. No more promoting of any struck work.
If you are NOT a paid influencer in ANY capacity - post what you want to post as a fan
cookie7700
yes, this exactly <3 thank you for helping clear that up, I'm glad we were on the same page
cat222
Of course! I'm pretty sure anyone in here is on the side of the unions (and I'm also reasonably sure none of us are or ever will be Paid Influencers)
egg5336
i know paid influencers that cosplayed who formerly rped. so it is possible, i'm also technically a paid influencer on one platform but not on the one i have way more followers on. i don't cosplay though. or really promote any fandom but it's still good info to have as a just in case
taco567
tbh, some people aren't interested in sussing out scabs for justice, they're doing it because they want drama; an excuse to harass someone.
solar4934
I live far away from the US but I am hoping to work in the writing scene someday. Which means I will not be taking writing workshops under any members of the AMPTP.
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