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Man, like. Lady Loki. Fandom latched onto that hard and I always end up screaming internally when I see it because it's such a goddamn nightmare scenario
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"Loki's cute and cool and genderqueer! He can be a woman or a man or neither! Depends!"

like
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nah
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fuck that
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Look
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Back in the early 2000s, there was a storyline
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Thor: Disassembled.
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Ragnarok happened.
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Loki gathered up an army and killed all of the Asgardians and everyone connected to them before Thor finally put a stop to that and then went "Y'know. We're part of a cycle here to entertain and feed Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. They live off of our lives, the infinite cycles of our Ragnaroks. So let's starve them by just not doing this again."
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So he destroys the loom that the Norns used to weave, then unweave, then reweave the fate of the nine realms and becomes one with the universe.
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Fast forward a few years Civil War begins and ends. Clone Thor lives and dies.
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Finally, something tweaks the universe and Thor awakens, realizes that the world still needs him.
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But Asgard is empty. Everyone's dead. Except... Not really.
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Everyone's been reborn as mortals on Earth.
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Thor just has to find them and reawaken them to their true divine heritage, Sailor Moon-style.
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So he goes out and does this and basically brings back everyone but Odin, who is turbodead as he died well before Ragnarok happened, Loki, and Sif. Thor's content to let Loki stay dead. So he latches onto a signature that might be Sif, pops down, revives her and... It's Lady Loki. Mwahahaha etc.
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Cue Loki strutting about as a woman for a few years, being villainous, catty, sexy as hell.
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...Then it turns out that, no, the reason that pinged as Sif is because IT'S SIF'S MOTHERFUCKING BODY AND HE STRAIGHT UP STOLE THAT SHIT
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And locked her soul into a dying woman's body.
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Just to torture Thor.
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Because eventually the old biddy would kick off and Thor would have to deal with Loki wearing Sif's face for eternity, or until he got tired of it and became a man again.
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(It should be noted that, uh. Before Ragnarok, Sif and Thor were pretty much married.)
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(I don't remember if it was official official yet, but it was gonna happen, basically.)
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So, Thor eventually realizes this and finds Sif's body, in the near-corpse of a 80+ year old woman on life support who simply refused to die when someone was depending on her.
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She felt someone shove a victim's soul into her body so that two birds could be claimed with one soul and went "Nah, I'm gonna live and whoever this is is gonna be rescued."
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But, yeah, the entire thing of Lady Loki strutting it about, flaunting what she's got, girlbossing at the other villains? Nah, that was Loki violating Sif with every second he sleazed about in place of her soul, insulting and mocking everyone who was connected.
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And that's why I can't get into this Lady Loki genderqueer stuff, because the whole genesis of it is in a storyline about torturing his adoptive brother while trying to murder someone in such a way that not even an All-Father could bring her back because there'd surely be no way to ever find her, tied as she was to sickly woman Thor wouldn't look at twice.
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If they'd wanted to go about it another way, give Lady Loki a separate design to reflect Loki looking different as a woman, sure.
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But
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It's just Loki being a vile little slimeball who deserves an eternity of curbstomping. Again.
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Just another thing to pile on to his torture, murder, child murder, abuse, scheming, betrayal, etc.
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imo, the Lady Loki this is mcuLoki fans grabbing some no context comic frames and thinking it's something it isn't. I don't remember when I first learned it was Loki stealing Sif's body, but it was after I first heard about the whole thing in general
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Loki getting attached to Pride stuff was deffo. after Hiddleston made the character a Hot, Cool Character, but there were folks latching on to Lady Loki earlier than that. It's just a thing that's been growing and growing as time went on and the MCU brought in fans. And, like.
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They can't be blamed for it, I guess? Because what the hell other characters do they have for that kind of reputation?
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But it's also just a thing of, like
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As soon as they start squinting back and not just going with what's in front of them, they're in for a bit of a rude awakening.
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And that's gonna suck for some of them.
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yeah
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I could argue Loki being genderqueer has a basis in the mythology (given Slepnir), but you're 100% correct in that it shouldn't be tied to the Loki-in-Sif's-body thing
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Marvel's very carefully danced around the whole "Loki sleeps with animals" thing, at least up 'til I stopped regularly reading, and I can't say I'm entirely comfy tying genderqueerness to that, either? But, yeah, it's a fair point.
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also an excellent point re: the beastiality
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there's other stuff with loki and gender in mythology but ehh
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I'm pretty sure that it's not Marvel Comics Canon
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It'd be so easy for them to just
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Go back to doing Tales of Asgard and do more Young Thor adventures with Loki sometimes being a girl, sometimes a boy.
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And have that be the new origin for it.
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100%
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but Plat, that would require the writers at Marvel putting a little thought into things!
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chrismas creep
actually genderqueer Loki is marvel canon now. He becomes a woman for the whole 10th Realm arc bc Heven is a matriarchal society and she can sweettalk them into doing what she wants better as a woman
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that's not to say that the 'stealing Sif's body' origin plotline isn't gross as hell, but... it's definitely become a fundamental part of the character
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at one point Odin refers to Thor/Angela/Loki as "my son, my daughter, and my child who is both"
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Yeah, I know it's canon now, and Marvel's even had Loki plop down into pride parades waving trans flags.
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I still can't really get into it comfortably because of the origin and their lack of doing anything to establish that as a thing before the Sifjacking.
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I mean, the idea of transness wasn't as prevalent or talked about in mainstream culture until relatively recently. Marvel throwing out a trans or gender queer character as big as Loki would have made a lot of waves back in the early 2000s
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I think you're missing something of what I mean.
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and Marvel are nothing if not cowards. they 100% are capitalizing on the trans rights movement to sell issues
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sorry I think I'm slightly off topic yeah
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I mean go and write something new, in Loki's youth, that underlines that this is a thing.
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yes I agree that would go a long way to make it easier to stomach
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That's all I want. A new origin to poke at that isn't Loki violating someone as a new way to hurt Thor.
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It'd go a long way towards making me bristle less at this.
chrismas creep
I totally understand and agree
𝔣𝔞𝔫𝔤𝔰𝔤𝔦𝔳𝔦𝔫𝔤
you right
𝔰𝔲𝔟 𝔯𝔬𝔰𝔞
it would also be nice to have more modern early asgard stories not written by the eic's fake japanese persona, imo
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win/win
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i called "lady loki" sif!loki on tumblr back in the day for this reason, it annoyed me how sif just got erased by the lack of context people had for this story
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