L'fuckingChaim
[6.4 spoilers] I (in collaboration with my enablers) realized last night what I think the end of Weaponsquest should have been:
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Gaius Quits The Military
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he surrenders Heirsbane in a moderately ritual fashion and goes to be a full-time father
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or build houses
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or grow crops
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just...it occurred to me that while Gaius has done great harm in service of fascism, great harm was also done to him by definition
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a lot of both sides through the military and command structure
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but...he can stop, and a good Werlyt arc for him would be realizing that he can just. stop.
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if you want him to be a compassionate man whose capacity for love has been twisted in service to militarized imperialism, then...make him stop, so that he understands that he can
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give Valens's other child slaves actual names and desires and let him take care of them and be found at all the season events in various ridiculous costumes
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bc honestly he seemed happiest there
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and the thematic appeal of ending the Weapon questline with Gaius laying down his weapon is very high. to me.
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(and then if you want to do a family portrait, his new kids can be in it, not just a family of ghosts)
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you're correct on every level including the extremely dumb seasonal events bit
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put him in a santa costume
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he was emotionally healthiest in a giant bunny costume that's just the facts
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or was he chicken that year?
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i think he was the bunny and allie was the chicken
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they were chickens
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nero was the bunny
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oh my gosh YES
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please gosh yes Werlyt feels like it's been fumbled on how to handle everything from the getgo but that might just be me
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yeah basically
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I mean I do go with the interpretation that his current position is a kind of penance but like, it’s so whack how they handled it
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it is meant to be, but it's a shitty penance that's not good for the people of werlyt or for gaius himself t b h
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I am the collective government and rehabilitative justice fairy, here to bestow better things
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--I mean, in my head this is at the end of a Weaponsquest involving Gaius being hit in the face (literally and metaphorically) with the already-in-canon children he fucked up
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not "oh huh Nero is alive, whatever"
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Fordola, last of the Black Wolf's Pups! Lucia, Livia's twin sister! Nero...Nero! they all have important things to say about whether he actually helped his children/mentees, and should get to say them!
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The Children He Made Into Weapons
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lmao yeah...
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I was wondering if he was going to have been injured while fighting blasphemies but surprise! those blasphemy fights we’ve been alluding to don’t matter in the slightest. why would you think they mattered, lmao
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also let cid be actually mad at him instead of one comment about the body horror in ruby weapon
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bc especially in the context of post bozja repressed memory unlock cid it's
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cid: hey gaius remember in praetorium how you talked about my dad regretting his actions at the end of his life? turns out that was objectively not true because he was tempered to fuck and back up to the very moment he annihilated himself and also a city. so uh. got anything to say about that.
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cid: also he shot me.
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cid: also he shot me.
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i mean i got the impression that midas was lightly toasted when he had that conversation with gaius and he was extra crispy when cid confronted him
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I don't think that timeline works though bc I think bozja was the catalyst for cid leaving
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it was but i took "the end of his life" to be like, while he was being tempered but before bozja happened
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especially since i feel like it's not too hard to interpret full blown tempering as a sort of ego death.
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before it had a cure.
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like my presumption of the timeline is midas has this conversation with gaius->midas gets bad enough that gaius needs to basically take custody of cid->cid confronts midas->bozja explodes
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the timeline is kind of weird towards the end because the field notes imply midas survived a little bit after bozja and died of his injuries while everything before that made me think he like. got vaporized
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of course they could actually clarify this whole thing by actually having cid and gaius talk about it instead of just sweeping it under the rug.
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oh do the field notes imply that? I still don't have all of them LMAO
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I think it's in the Cid field notes
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lore book 3! lore book 3!
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every pll i wait for the end like "cyclopedia "
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surely for the coming fanfests...
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gaius in prae sounds like he knew midas was tempered...but then why didn't he STOP HIM?
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there are so many questions there!
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and the most simple answer is that gaius went "it's free impressionable genius engineer" which isn't a good look
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I think what makes the most sense is that what Gaius meant was, "Come on Cid we can't stop committing war crimes just because they suck and we hate it," which would at least be a consistent kind of wrong
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and ironically so when he's talking to Cid "if Garlemald sucks, hit da brickz" Garlond
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but like, it would work as a starting point for his longform arc of "actually you can and must and it feels great"
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Honestly I interpret it as like. In retrospect he was like "holy shit my best friend was tempered to shit and I had no idea what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck"
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because after seeing what went down with nael and dalamud it would've absolutely clicked
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but i think in the moment he just thought midas had a mad science breakdown
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as so often happens
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(and then he learns IT WAS BY DESIGN???? and it contributes to his general shattering worldview)
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(shatter! shatter! shatter that man's worldview!)
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go from prae "join me, and we can make the imperialism less oppressive" to a werlyt "I should have been asking to join you"
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yeah exactly!
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make that man apologize
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a large part of the thing is, he's alleged to be doing penance, but we don't see him repent
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exactly. like there's "this character is bad at words that are actually emotionally driven rather than speeches" and then there's "what the fuck are you doing with this character arc bro"
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this AUTHOR is bad at words that are emotionally driven
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i'm still livid
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a prae callback was Free Money
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ANY prae callback
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i don't understand why rex doesn't confront him with the thing
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daichi hiroi would never do this to us.
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he knows how to do his damn callbacks
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HE WOULD THROW IN A FOR WHOM DO YOU FIGHT
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HONESTLY
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"go from prae "join me, and we can make the imperialism less oppressive" to a werlyt "I should have been asking to join you"" YES EXACTLY THIS
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FISH CITIZEN : my wol also throws "tell me, for whom do you fight?" back in his fight during werlyt
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hich is actually even more of a callback because Aodhan has poerfect auditory memory and a decent knack for imitating accents so he does the exact cadence
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*in his face even
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i mean, yeah. I pray every day for someone competent to pry him out of Werlyt Guy’s hands
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sadly i think he's been doomed to side material character from here on
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much like Cid himself
skerple
I hate it here
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I will never say never
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I won't say never but I will say vibes are unlikely
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though cygna is well aware of me shaking and crying about "make warring triad mandatory" about the current arc
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I just think they should simply use the unending codex to bring in side content
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that would also be a good start tbh!
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but warring triad has been my top you need to play this side material since Heavensward itself, which is a tall order considerring it's coming from I, Nael "plurk user starcrossedsky" van darnit
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Warring Triad whips
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Like I do understand not wanting to make everything in your mmo mandatory especially when it comes to playing roles you may not be comfortable with
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But have you considered that the Shadowbringers role quests are good as fuck?
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oh yeah i'm hoping that they'll be mandatory eventually because - next expac we should get a caster dps and that's the only one that you really have to griund still for shb role quests
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you have a tank that starts at 60 and phys dps and healer that start at 70 now
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but caster the higherst level you can tab in is rdm at 50
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Yeah...
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I mean they did say they had plans for Gaia so I assume that side content purgatory is not something that means you are permanently doomed to irrelevance
L'fuckingChaim
I understand not wanting to make everything mandatory, but unfortunately or fortunately they ALSO are really good at making things connect because it's the same story
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6.5 looks like it might take us back to the first in msq.......
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but if we do that, as part of our quest to save the void, surely we HAVE to talk to Unukalhai and the gang, right?
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I really do think they should just be like “fuck it if you want to know who cylva and unukalhai are either read the codex entries we’re giving you or do their content”
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yeah that's how I feel also
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especially because Cylva is so intimately tied to the Flood on the first as well
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smad that we didn't get new dialogue from them this patch
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me, slapping Gaius out of Werlyt guy's hands and shaking whoever the writer is
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I cannot wait to drag Unukalhai and Cylva into msq again they deserve it
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I mean I do kind of hope they do something with him for the anniversary in August because he’s on the fucking arr box art
time stranger
1) god yeah one of my takes way back when was that this should have been an arc abt People Being Made Into Weapons with gaius recognizing how he was fucked up by seeing how his kids got fucked up, bc prae gaius is just so THOROUGHLY a Guy Who Knows Nothing But Military
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2) it is just criminal we didn't get to ask gaius "for whom do you fight" i mean come the fuck on
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it's SO fucking criminal that was a GIMME
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it's "for those we've lost. for those we can yet save"-levels of callback dialogue option
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every ball, dropped
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because fucking Werlyt Guy doesn't see this as a character arc with robots, but as robots.
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I'm not going to say "with a character arc".
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I really don’t understand why they let him back in the kitchen
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I know I shouldn’t begrudge anyone for liking things but every time I see someone say Werlyt was good I want to gently shake them by the shoulders and say you deserve better. We deserve better.
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no story measures up to the perfect one in my head, but Werlyt didn't even come CLOSE
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which is notable because of how many of the quests around it DID
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I would not be nearly so angry about it if Werlyt was standard faire but like even the storyline that got its epilogue axed and reduced to field notes did better
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wait which one got its epilogue axed??
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Ivalice/Bozja, I presume
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Yeah that one
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the one where we see Noah at the end of the raids and then he...dies?...in field notes without us ever seeing him again
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yeah
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I wanted to get my fingers all into a Noah who wasn't Basch's twin! wiggle wiggle where did you go instead!
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I hope they at least have pagaga and Lyon in the background of a cutscene or two at some point for shits and giggles....
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oh wow
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I was WONDERING what the heck happened to Noah!!!
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I as like "WHY ARE THERE HUGE LOOSE ENDS HERE. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH GABRANTH" apparently i did not get enough field notes!!!!
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