How Lore Olympus Makes the Persephone Myth Worse: Fi...
been watching this
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i'm about halfway through and i can agree with a lot of this
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but the no only call artemis aphrodite at one point but they claim eris controlled persephone during her act of wrath
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which is not the case
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she only imbued wrath on persephone, that was it
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now they aren't wrong about the fact that persephone didn't consciously tap into that ability but eris didn't control her
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the complaints about how hades is so rarely physically sexualized when its persephone pov is kinda silly when you know the artist's artistic background
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is it frustrating that it happens more with persephone? yes, but rachel's career was basically female pinups before this, she's said many times she has difficulty drawing me
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men*
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the other points theyre making are good but like that bit
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like i very much agree that it would have been nice is persephone had other relationships before hades, even if they never ended up being sexual
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Yeah, it always bugs me how in romances men are usually experienced with multiple partners while the woman has to be "pure" for him
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it is such a terrible trope
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the whole sexual virgin thing
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This was why I loved the Lovestruck app so much because their protagonists were usually the experienced ones, so it made the stories where your love interest was new to romance that much more interesting
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I miss Lovestruck... 
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that is a nice change
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that's what i liked about the demo for Touchstarved
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its made clear that the player character has some experience, its a nice change from so many of the otome games i've played
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Like most routes the love interest has had at least one other partner already, but there were a few that were virgins and it's the protagonist that's helping guide them to figuring out their sexuality
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Which were really cute storylines
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at least the ones where the MC is usually meant to be female (tho Touchstarved lets you pick male/female/gender neutral)
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that's cute
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Yeah Lovestruck only had one or two male MCs and they were for m/m routes, so it was all women
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I'm not sure if there was ever any male routes where there was an inexperienced male love interest, though. I mostly played the f/f stuff
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ah
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i'm a little sad that Touchstarved only has the one female love interest (and from what i've gathered on the one enby)
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Another reason why I miss Lovestruck lol it was one of the few otome games that had a pretty decent selection of female love interests in later years
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a shame
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In before people saying that's why the app failed, lmao
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(There definitely were Those)
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yeah
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shame they didn't ever get to like release it in full on steam or something
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iirc it was a pay per story phone app right?
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Nope, it was completely free
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ah i'm thinking of a diff one then
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You could read special scenes by "paying" with hearts, but you could easily save up on those because the app had free options
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i know i went through a phase of dling a bunch of otome games that were pay per ch/story and i was just like naw man
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Oh yeah fuck that
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I hate the otome apps where you have to pay for a "better" story, too
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like they did that with haukuoki 1 and 2 where you could just get the whole game on steam for a set price
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Like you have to pay to "collect" things to get a better ending
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yeah i played a few of those but the app usually gave you what you needed for the "better" outcome
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but it still baffles me about haukuoki's mobile version
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It always bugged me when people bitched about Lovestruck's hearts system because those scenes were literally arbritary to the story, they're usually spicy scenes or just for fun, but not integral to the main plot
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its like it's on pc for $10 why would i pay for each ch
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ppl want their easy access spice
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Otherwise it's entirely free and you can access those scenes if you're smart about what you use hearts for
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You don't need to access every scene
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heh
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But yeah fortunately there were a lot of efforts to record the routes so they're preserved on YouTube, so if I ever wanna go back and reread them, I can
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ah yes the hades isn't a good buy part of the video, he isn't, it's a shame he's so woobied
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Or read the routes I missed
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that's good
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media preservation can be so difficult sometimes
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Seriously, that was one thing people were worried about when the app was closing, because there was a lot of amazing stories that would be just gone
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i kind of wish this person had waited until more recently to make this vid before i'd love to see them go off about the rushed wedding lmao
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And I know it meant a lot to many writers who worked on those stories that there was such a concentrated effort to preserve their hard work
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Oh man for real, lmao
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this vid came out around the time of the proposal
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Like BOY HOWDY YOU THINK IT BAD BACK THEN
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sadly it seems they didn't read it so they don't even know how that went down
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because the how makes it even worse
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basically watching this vid just points out how we really needed more time of just persephone on her own and just hades on his own, too much time of the two of them together so neither has much characterization outside of that
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man it is really annoying how villianized demeter is in LO
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cannot agree more with this
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also perse's lack of female friendships
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i just keep thinking about how i'd do a retelling but then i'm too lazy to do it lmao
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YEAHHHHH Demeter's treatment has been very disappointing
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i think we all hoped for better and then, nope
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If Zeus gets to have a "redemption" arc then Demeter should get one, too
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yeah
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the vid also pointed out getting to see minthe's redemption but oh look that never really happened and prob won't at this point
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I guess her "redemption" was finding purpose working for a good cause and dumping her toxic friend
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yeah
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Gonna watch this later
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the vid has its problems but it does a good job pointing out the many flaws lore has
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they also mention other retellings, including the hades game which they haven't finished
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so uh they dunno what's going on there
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yeahhh probably not the best idea to talk about something you only half finished lol
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i really like how hades and persephone are portrayed in game but yeah
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yeah they only mention it in passing
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one of the fav recent adaptations of them is in hadestown actually
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hadestown is really good
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which is funny cause in that show their relationship is very strained and that's a major point made in the narrative
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that persephone doesn't at all look forward to her time in hadestown
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but the way its explored in a short amount of time and with neither her or hades being the central characters of the show are very cool
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yeah
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Finally watching at least the first bit of this for now and man I agree with the weird fixation on the age gap
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That did bug me, too
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One thing I liked about Punderworld was that the author made Persephone older so she's not some naïve teenager
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Oof yeah also agreeing with how the story prioritized Persephone's male friends over her female ones, that never sat right with me, either
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yupyup
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I like Hermes and Eros but it kinda sucks how we got these deep scenes with Persephone and them but so few actual on screen moments with her and, like, Artemis and Daphne
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yeah
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nothing we can do to change it ho
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tho*
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The way we haven't gotten a scene between Persephone and Artemis since Arty encouraged her to go to the underworld...
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Arty was made protector of women and for what lol
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NO KIDDING
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I'm assuming she knows about her brother now since she's gone no contact with him but that's
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Would've been nice to actually see how that played out
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yeah
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it sucks that there's like a whole 10 years of perse hanging out with her nymphs and artemis and whoever else in the mortal realm and we get like none of that
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don't really get to see any of her growth or struggles beyond crying over hades and a few other small snippets
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Lol yeah the fact that Rachel wrote her whining about not getting dick but didn't write any interactions with the people she was living with for a decade 
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She even said she did a timeskip because she didn't think anyone wanted to see the in between... like come on lol
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She's solely writing for the ship base at this point
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yeah
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like seeing ALL of the 10 years would have been a bit much, but it would have been nice to see more
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Exactly, even something like the Minthe chapters was fairly solid
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yeah
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tho i can understand after ppl complaining about those first two weeks of the timeline taking forever that she was afraid to do too much
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Lmao see I thought the space between the mid season and end of season was way too short
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it was really short but i mean those two weeks literally take 100+ chs to get through
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like so much happens in the span of two weeks
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basically pacing is one big issue with this series
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Yeah that's fair
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if itd been two months instead of two weeks it would have felt better i think
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on the subject of versions of the story i like
Theia Mania Comics
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i know i've talked about this comic before
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i like how they've gone about the story
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perse and hades know each other before the kidnapping happens, they like each other, have been exchanging letters, but even so when he takes her to the underworld she is not happy about it
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she's also had relationships before hades, hades also mostly falls into the ace/demi category
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there's also nods to perse having once been an underworld goddess before hades even existed with some of her abilities
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OH they got the old comic up somewhere else now
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well i say old but it looks like they've been updating it with recent pages