a girl in love
https://images.plurk.com/2HhnEtyivRrlVITHmwz8BA.jpg https://images.plurk.com/yD6w3pB5HOpWBkOkftbB0.jpg ALL RIGHT FRIENDS YOU ALL BETTER LINE UP TO GIVE ME EXAMPLES OF HERO ROMANCES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE TO PUT THEIR CAUSE ABOVE THEIR LOVE INTEREST AND APPARENTLY IF THEIR LOVE INTEREST IS A VILLAIN IT DOESN'T COUNT
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the real moral of these posts is that hero/villain romances are the best because you get all of the above. but setting that aside.
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i can't decide if catherine foundling counts as a hero for the purpose of this question or not
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Certain Batman stories do it. Camelot fell because King Arthur had to do it.
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I'm trying to think because I know I've read some books with it
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Captain Kirk does it a few times. Obi-Wan does it with Satine (though he would've ditched his duty if she'd asked).
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godzilla has to put aside his one true love (smashing up power plants) multiple times because king ghidorah just refuses to take a respectable ass-kicking and go
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Most notably, Kirk was basically forced to abandon Spock at one point because he had to deliver medical supplies.
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Doc Savage kiiiiiiinda does this once? He falls for a princess, hard, but then learns that he'd never get to have another adventure if he marries her and kinda bluescreens until his cousin helps him figure out a way to gracefully break off the wedding without offending anyone. (But Doc falling in love is a contentious idea for some folks.)
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metal gear solid 3 (✿◡‿◡) but there's a rason that's the villain origin story
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....also metal gear solid 2
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tales of the abyss...
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i guess notably the thing is if the hero actually has to do that it's a tragedy generally cuz of course the fantasy is the hero does the right thing but gets the girl anyway
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IBO
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so far we've got nine examples, ahaha
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(Well, nine examples if we count Kirk as a single time instead of every time he had to choose duty over love.)
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yeah very often the hero is given the CONFLICT of "you have to choose between your loved one or Doing The Right Thing"
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yeah my double take when I saw this was "I'm sorry how often do heroes actually have to commit to sacrificing one of these things for the other"
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im going to go to bed thinking about this
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whereas with villains it's not even a confli
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OP YOU COULD HAVE MADE A MUCH STRONGER CASE FOR HERO ROMANCES BEING WEAKER IF YOU HAD JUST SAID THAT PEOPLE WRITE WEENIE BABY CONFLICTS WHERE YOU KNOW THE STAKES WON'T COUNT IN THE END BECAUSE THE HERO WILL MANAGE TO KEEP BOTH
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INSTEAD YOU WROTE ABOUT HERO ROMANCES BEING ACTUALLY COMPELLING
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Oh!
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InFamous.
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One of the choices Cole has to make is whether to save his girlfriend or the life of ten doctors.
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In the canon choice, he chooses the doctors.
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emiya kiritsugu
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OH RGHT KIRI--
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yes
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haha
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hi av
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i guess kiritsugu is more of an anti-hero than hero but
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he's a hero in contrast to kirei
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will in moriarty the patriot does it too, but then sherlock is like BITCH YOU'RE DOING WHAT? I THINK NOT
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i do agree that mmmmmost of the time a hero simply will not entertain the idea of "actually my loved one matters more than the world",
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though i'm always tickled when they do. it's like, yeah fuckit
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i say this but i can't think of any off the top of my head but im sure they exist
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but most of the time yeah the heros just get to do both
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but will is also just. haha. idk if hero at all.
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lelouch vi britannia also
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who is also a hero question mark
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basically hashtag war stories love this shit i guess
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technically also gojo satoru
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The trooper storyline in SWTOR gives you the option to kill a woman you slept with in a previous storyline in order to save a bunch of innocent people, even as she begs you not to, so that might also count. But also: war story.
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this is deeply my shit so just
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opens trenchcoat a million examples fall out
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kaname madoka
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OH
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FABLE... ttthhhrrreeeeee?
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Gojo and Madoka don't count because their love interests are antags
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homura was not an antag when madoka did the thing
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deadass opens with "you have to make the choice between your asshole brother killing your loved one or killing a bunch of poor people who were protesting on your doorstep"
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thus under the umbrella of this post apparently the compelling part could just be that there are villains involved
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i will give you gojo tho
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In Star Trek: TNG's backstory, Riker and Troi nearly got married, but he put his career above their romance and they split up until the first episode? But considering that ended with them getting married, well...
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but homura was free of sin and traumatized
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and if you pick the loved one to live said loved one WILL resent you for it
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which i always thought was kind of rude
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yu junghyeok also
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but then kim dokja walks in and orv becomes a story of YOU SHOULD HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT
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yu junghyeok wakes up and does this every day for x years and then
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i feel like all of saiyuki gaiden is this, also
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anyways i think if it's not the villain making the decision to put the world over their lover it still counts since the original post is about how heros will choose the good of others over you
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so madoka definitely counts because she absolutely chose the good of the rest of the world over happiness
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with homura i mean,
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over [existing in general]
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yes
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but i also think that's what makes that ship really good
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but also madoka trampled all over homura's entire purpose
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I HAVE ADMITTEDLY ONLY WATCHED REBELLION AND NOT THE ACTUAL ANIME SERIES,
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"wait, you've been doing what? for how long? oh sweetie no, let me fix that"
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and then homura is traumatized forever
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SO I'M MISSING A LOT OF CONTEXT FOR THAT ONE
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and that's how rebellion happens
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i feel like
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god how do i put this
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yeah madohomu is just, homura loops forever bc she's trying to create a timeline where madoka lives
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madoka: i will just become a god and stop existing on the physical plane
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Marvel heroes have done it a few times. Peter Parker, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers have all torpedoed a few relationships by choosing duty over love.
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homura: BITCH WHAT
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something about madoka's [takes her life that homura sacrificed everything for, and slams it into the ground for the GOOD OF THE WORLD]
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made me go "fuck this is a kaz/moelle ship"
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time for kaz to watch madomagi
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and i dont know how to explain it
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hey moelle have you heard about yu junghyeok
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i don't know because i can't isolate the thing that fucked me up so hard about it
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,
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especially as i don't care too much about the first half of the sh-- I DO KNOW
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I DO KNOW ABOUT JUNGHYEOK DON'T LOOK AT ME
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(Hilariously, in the comics, the big reveal of Tony Stark's secret identity as Iron Man to the world was because he saw a puppy about to be hit by a car.)
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(So he jumped off a balcony and put his suit on mid-fall to stop the car.)
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(And his girlfriend was furious that this was what he revealed his identity for, when he lied to her about it so often.)
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Platinum : okay but that is the most relatable shit a hero has ever done to me
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i, too, would do this
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checks notes, umineko has some of this too, arguably, depending on how you frame things
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but i cannot go into it for obvs reasons
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He figured it was worth the trade.
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i would sacrifice my whole life to save a cat i don't even know how ironic im being about this
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i would jump in front of a car to save a cat
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i first read that as "jump in front of a cat to save a cat"
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and i was like "oh yeah, i've done that"
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i'd do that, too
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KLMLKSMDF
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i jump in front of a cat to save a cat every day of my damn life
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deeply relatable
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In the Batman Beyond cartoon, Bruce Wayne ends up dumping both Barbara Gordon and Wonder Woman in order to be Batman.
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IIRC, it's been a while since I've read the relevant issues, but Miyamoto Usagi ended up having to ditch his childhood girlfriend (who married his best friend, but had Usagi's kid) because samurai duties.
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OH
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OH I'M AN IDIOT
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EMERAUDE FROM MKR
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THIS SETUP IS JUST LITERALLY THE WHOLE PLOT OF MKR
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does emeraude rly count as a hero
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she is meant to be one
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the anime says: no
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(sorry i had to setup that punchline)
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also counts just by vitrue of summoning the knights
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but yeah just WAIT
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this is just the plot of mkr
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I! Nearly forgot this one, but
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Samus Aran.
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tbh i think OP would have a stronger case if a: they were arguing "protagonist" and not generally just "hero" and b: were arguing about the central conflict, not the actual resolution, since the average narrative resolution is "the protagonist(s) find a way to do both"
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塔露拉·雅特利亞斯 : the anime has no rights except it gave me nova and i love her in spite of everything
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as the gods will,
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She hooked up with her sole love interest, the only man to ever equal her in battle
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kevin keene
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mostly b/c this feels like a sitch where they say "hero" and what they mean is "hero" of the story and not just hero in the story
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i'm going to noogie you, plat
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In an alternate future where his first choice was gone and he basically went to pieces after that
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But then Kid Icarus came to her and went "You gotta go back to your own time and prevent this from happening" and she eventually went "Yeah, I kinda gotta, don't I?"
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And ended up torpedoing her existing relationship with Captain N: The Game Master, in order to save Videoland.
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Emiya Kiritsugu
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oh floor beat me
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hey jeva did you know gojo also,
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shut up shut up cry
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in this house we know what we're about
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looks at Trigun also
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I'm not sure if this entirely counts, since they were already married, but Kaburagi Kotetsu was out doing superhero work when his wife died in the hospital.
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i feel like some FMAs go here
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塔露拉·雅特利亞斯 : I kinda feel the opposite where I feel like it HAS to be "hero" because there are plenty of protagonists to whom duty or saving the world are irrelevant and/or not priorities
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Clint Barton/Hawkeye divorced Mockingbird when she killed (or, rather, refused to save the life of) her rapist and tried to get her kicked out of the Avengers. (He was outvoted.)
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which is why I keep trying to catch myself and retyping comments when I instinctively start typing protag/antag in this plurk bc that's the framework my brain references more immediately due to not actually often having that much interest in very typical hero/villain story setups
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i feel like Allen Walker would go here but only because the people he loves exists in the world under threat so in order to keep them safe/alive, he has to do the world-saving. but he and Vash have similar "I can't not help people if they're right in front of me" things
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but it has made people he loves smack him for doing things that would hurt him, which would hurt THEM
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u right about the fmas
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Maes Hughes
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Roy Mustang
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yeah
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Riza Hawkeye
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Jean Havoc
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naming and shaming those 4 specifically
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wow it's like roy mustang has a type or something
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debatable if Hohenheim counts since he literally abandons his family due to trying to find a way to stop the thing he helped (but also his own [angst] reasons)
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though FMAs are less "will yeet loved one for the sake of world" and more in the area of "will do whatever is needed to achieve the goal which is usurp the guy trying to kill us all and that includes probably dying in the pursuit of that"
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Hughes getting the roughest Not Even A Choice (except it is because he could have stopped because he has a family now but he could not, in good conscience, do that)
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I wonder if it's referring to like those series where the hero is just like no heroine you must stay home I've got a baddie to fight? Go pine for me for 25 years unskippable. Other than that I've got nothing.
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honestly, Emiya Kiritsugu still remains the strongest candidate for what they specifically describe (literally sacrificing loved ones because Save The World)
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from what i can think
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Depends, I guess, on how high you set the stakes
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If it's gotta be "This person dies so more can live" then, yeah, I'm basically down to Infamous (Killing Cole's girlfriend in order to save ten doctors), Star Trek (Choosing to sacrifice Spock's life to deliver medical supplies), and King Arthur (To enforce and preserve the law of the land and equality, orders Guinevere's execution for adultery/treason).
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This is basically the plot to Life is Strange
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the protag ultimately has to choose between letting her best friend/now lover die or save the town.
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popcorn. I cant actually think of any examples to add.
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Carrot in Discworld is actually an interesting case, "Personal isn't the same as important" and because he's an all loving hero, his girlfriend Angua often worried if he loves-loves her, or if he loves her in the same way he loves everyone
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When he first says it in Men-at-Arms, he's choosing his duty by going after the bad guy and having someone else take her out of harm's way. When he says it again when Angua goes missing in The Fifth Elephant, he says it again but "Yes this is personal, but Angua is important to me" and goes after her.
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heLlO leT mE tELl YOU ABout KIANA KASLANA
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also raiden mei though I guess by the time mei literally says the words "the world means nothing to me without you" she is officially no longer a hero, on account of saying things like "the world means nothing to me without you" and "if saving you is a sin I'll gladly become a sinner"
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technically kiana's whole ass thing by the time she is actually a hero instead of doing omnicide is that if you "won" but sacrificed a ton then calling that a victory is just bad coping and a bad story so her goal is in fact having her cake and also eating it
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but mei gets to join sokka in the "my first girlfriend turned into the moon" corner anyway.
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actually I guess that kiana just falls in the madoka category except she spent a portion of her current life and also all of her previous life trying to kill every human and also mei is trying to kill most life on the planet to save her, unlike homura who is just trying to all you need is kill
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I was going to say kiana is actually technically also the homura in this situation since she's trying to get The Perfect Ending (didn't strangle her girlfriend to death) but actually she's mary kozakura.
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also, mary kozakura
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I guess calling her a hero instead of a plot device is a stretch but listen
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she wants to be the heroic prince that saves the world and befriends all the monsters. if her friends have to suffer and die every single time she tries to get the perfect ending well,
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anyWYA hAVe YOU HEARD ABOUT SKADI FROM ARKNIGHTS
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I was going to say weirdly a lot of characters I play that are protagonists fall into this even though they are all cute girls in love but I guess they are specifically cute girls struggling with the fact it is deeply unfair that they can't just burn the world down even though world cold and hard and wife soft and warm
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or happiness forever types where making everything good and perfect forever also happens to involve making their loved ones good and happy forever.
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also 80% of them either were villains or become villains, on account of saying things like "the world means nothing to me without you" or [ cocks gun ] "we'll do better next time"
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the ones who don't end the story as a villian generally have the big brain idea of loved ones can't be sacrificed for the cause if I am sacrificed for the cause
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so I guess actually none of my characters fall into this, if the thing is specifically "sacrifices loved ones for cause" rather than just "puts cause over loved ones"
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(except skadi. have you heard the good word of skadi "410b dead seaborn and also 410b dead friends" orca)
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oh actually speaking of 410b dead
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2B.
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2 "it always ends like this" B.
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