Platinum
"what's gonna set plat off tonight?"
people swallowing the myths that ~lost technology~ is better than what we've got now
Platinum
spoilers: damascus steel is actually just okay when compared to modern steel, roman concrete is only as strong as it is because of freak chance and would suck for modern roads, we could still build the same kind of rockets that put men on the moon just fine if we had the budget, and blind tests show that a stradivarius is not better than modern violins.
Platinum
as for the rockets, we may not have the exact skills and papers, but we still know how they were put together and we actually have better rocketry tech now than we did in the 60s and 70s, so...
Platinum
stradivarius violins can't be exactly replicated now, due to environmental differences mainly, but blind play tests have a majority of audiences and performers preferring modern violins when we've got the mystique of the name peeled away from things.
Platinum
damascus steel can be better than some modern low carbon steels, but we have other steels that blow it out of the water
Platinum
and there's a lot of science behind the strength of roman concrete, but the trick is that there's some mineral in there that gets stronger as it ages. if we mixed up a fresh batch and used it for a few miles of road, under the same stress as a modern concrete road, it'd likely end up faring rather poorly.
Platinum
stradivarius violins are also suspected to have a slightly different sound due to the chemicals that were used in the varnish which, no, we don't know the recipe for, but we can still make up batches that do the job just as well.
Platinum
yeah, it sucks that this knowledge is lost
Platinum
yeah, it's worth studying to see how it was done
Platinum
but a lost technique doesn't equal a superior technique
July, July
It just means different and different applications.
Platinum
yeah
Platinum
damascus steel really was better than anything of its day. stradivarius violins really are masterworks. those rockets did their jobs just fine. roman concrete has lasted longer than the empire itself.
Spookitty
I was actually listening to a Science Friday where they had a professional who created a 3D printed violin to reduce the entry level price for music education.
Spookitty
They did a side by side comparison and the only difference was how fast the bow was. The sound was pretty much identical
Platinum
One neat trick to make it easier! Purists hate it!
DredgenMoonMoon
the Roman concrete was strong because of the quick lime I think. The concrete would crack over time and when water seeped in the lime would dissolve and fill in the cracks and somehow make it stronger, but it wouldn't really make for good roads today.
kickero.
i do think our greek fire today is worse
kickero.
kidding kidding but yeah i agree w you
6LilacMimeLions
we actually can't make a Saturn V anymore because we don't have the facilities to cast big enough metal parts, but it's not like we burned the specs
6LilacMimeLions
if we wanted to we could recreate one
Platinum
budget
6LilacMimeLions
but there's no reason to
Platinum
nah, this person was going off like building the Saturn Vs was a lost art that we couldn't replicate anymore and that's just
Platinum
a huge steaming load
6LilacMimeLions
they were huge because they had to drag humans and our clunky ass life support to the moon
6LilacMimeLions
since our robotic tech has improved so much, we don't have to ship humans out to learn things
Platinum
https://images.plurk.com/7dKVSYOzZPThOMwCJIfmjS.png
Platinum
it was a bad take, jim
6LilacMimeLions
we didn't lose it, we surpassed it
Shard-o-lantern
There are probably good uses for Roman concrete these days. But yeah, not for roads.
6LilacMimeLions
I am absolutely not faulting the engineers of the early space programs - they did great things with what they had
Platinum
Zero argument there
Platinum
But also that was, like, sixty+ years ago
6LilacMimeLions
I would argue that early computer people were much better programmers than the average phone app designer, but that's comparing apples to something I scraped off my shoe
Nox
I think with the stradivarius it's always been sort of an open secret that the only differences are the ones you can only notice with either an extremely well trained ear or technology. But even that's not so much "lost technology" as happening to make them from Ice Age-era trees.
Platinum
We've got better computers, better materials, better understandings, and better fuels
Nox
Although pls don't start making the rockets that put us on the moon again, those things brewed up on the landing pad and killed people.
Nox
*launchpad
Nox
I woke up like twenty minutes ago and it's a work in progress D|
Platinum
reach for that coffee
6LilacMimeLions
Apollo 1 was a huge wake-up call
6LilacMimeLions
there's a story (idk if it's apocryphal - kinda think it was) that the crew suspected something was up but didn't bow out because they didn't want to risk their friends' lives, knowing that the higher-ups wouldn't pause the program, they'd just sub in a new crew
6LilacMimeLions
but the Apollo 1 disaster is responsible for the safety culture NASA has now
Platinum
I read a quote from someone once that safety regulations are written in blood.
6LilacMimeLions
yeah that's a really common saying in engineering
Spookitty
Well. My parents both worked in computing for decades (about a century combined) and they definitely complained about losing the ability to really work with and improve tech when people retired, but it was really specific cases.
Platinum
There are definitely cases where there were forced technological dead ends that, if they'd been pursued, would have lead to better stuff now.
6LilacMimeLions
the banking system runs on COBOL, so that's gonna be fun in a decade or two when there's no one left to maintain it - but that's not because we don't have better programming languages and hardware now
Spookitty
Migration of that complex a system will be a nightmare. And need to be done on a regular basis...
6LilacMimeLions
safety-critical programming is reaaaaaally expensive to get right, so nobody wants to redo their COBOL/FORTRAN/whatever systems
6LilacMimeLions
(i have a rant about programmers calling themselves "software engineers" because BITCH, IF SOMEONE WITH A PE DESIGNS SOMETHING THAT KILLS PEOPLE, THERE IS JAIL TIME INVOLVED)
Spookitty
My mom was a software architect. My dad was the engineer but he mostly did hardware.
載入新的回覆