[twitter purity culture discourse] I also wanted to post this perspective of pro/anti ship discourse from Jpn fandom's view cuz it contains the funniest fucking fandom term for western whining
TLDR a Japanese Omori artist got approached by an anti for FOLLOWING someone who had proship in their profile and a bunch of fandom brats started harassing them
They had no idea what proship even MEANT so did some research with friends and typed this up to warn other foreign artists that basically yo western fans are fucking notes just block/mute them lmao
.... kind of off topic but i'm glad this post explained what the "CP" so many JP fans use meant bc like. i figured it had a different definition from what english-speaking folks think of when they see CP but i was too nervous to look it up sdflkgjhr
. Proshipper just means "a decent and sensible human being who can distinguish between fiction and reality and who tolerates and does not discriminate against what someone might depict in fiction."
"Please understand that if I, as a Japanese, do the same thing as you English-speaking people, I will be treated as a freak who cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy." They said this to an american speaker in another twitter thread lmao
i also feel better about thinking it's really fucking weird and uncomfortable when western fans comment on certain JP art ive seen with stuff like "wish this were legal IRL" when i know the artist probably doesnt agree with them but doesnt have the ENG background to be like "can you not be fucking weird about my art"
have i been squicked by shit and wanted to vent??? look yeah i'm not gonna deny i've never done that but i also keep it to private shit like plurk and don't HARASS PEOPLE about it, like. it's really not that hard lmfao.
honestly even when something squicks me out i just try to ignore it bc like... ime even personal venting just seems to get real mean real fast and people take "i hate this subject matter" as a reason to dunk on the artists' methods/style/personal expression
I feel like americans/english speaking people (but the internet is full of americans) just has this very strong kneejerk reaction to "MY CULTURE AND MY VALUES ARE IMPORTANT and I have to shame anyone who doesn't agree to them
there is a... weird militant cultlike nature to the anti crowd too like they think the way to protect kids online is to actively seek out "perverts" and "freaks"
they're in a parasocial cult basically, where they're militantly policing each other and have to call out the other witches lest they be suspected next
I do in general thing most antis are just dumb misguided teens and young adults (like college to 25, look at i said some stupid shit ten years ago too)
and that if they're talking to any of the older "anti" crowd, that they steer clear - abusers love a position in a group where they're the """"safe""""" adult
mostly, yeah. the actual adult antis frustrate me, but theyre... mostly chronically online it is still kind of dangerous but, in the way any cult is dangerous
feeling like there's a really essential socialization step for living in a society where you learn "ok so you are going to be around people whose values and communication methods are different from yours so you can't always intuitively know what's up with them. and it will be okay" and if you skip that step it makes you batshit nuts
or if you haven't gotten to that step yet bc you are young and raised in the dominant culture and have never been meaningfully challenged, and now you are on twitter
i think a lot of it does come down, unfortunately, to much of the US not having an opportunity to witness culture outside their own until the dawn of tiktok like sure those things were available previously but not nearly as easily. people didnt have Japan in their phone 10 years ago
that and among the youth these days, it Is Known that not only are schools no longer pushing critical thinking as strongly, but also a good solid portion of the nation lost up to 3 years of schooling due to the pandemi
i don't remember learning critical thinking in school necessarily but i remember being able to do stupid idiot preteen shit in relatively contained social ecosystems that expired after a year or two so you had a few go-arounds before being loosed into the great unknown.
it was definitely taught in schools before, but usually through application in literature and sciences you wouldnt have been given a critical thinking class
you would have been given critical thinking exercises even in math, some word problems were made to encourage critical thinking and thats part of why many kids struggle with word problems
this is probably also fast reader privilege talking but i feel like having the free time to just chew through lots of books and see what's out there is as important a component in the media literacy thing as guided instruction on critical reading
because you were meant to think critically about what parts of the problem were giving certain details for example in pokemon scarlet/violet you are given a math problem about pokeballs to find how many pokeballs you qould get with a certain amount ofmoney, but the critical thinking portion was understanding that you also would receive a Premier ball
the questions about " what symbolism could the author have meant by the curtains? what social influences contributed to the Boston Tea Party? how could another outcome have been avoided?" all of that stuff is critical thinking
wrt shipcourse specifically, it's like, you can argue theory for hours, or you can say "you read some wild shit as a teenager and didn't turn into a serial killer right?" which is less effective if they did not in fact read wild shit as a teenager
(which sort of reminds of the evangelical "anything with magic in probably causes demon worship" schtick. like if you willfully don't perceive it you can believe any shit you want about its magical brainwashing powers0
....free time to read a bunch of stuff and also, like, the privacy to process it on one's own time. reading a book for its own sake and without an audience is kind of a different experience than reading along with a book club who will bite you if you have The Wrong Thoughts about it
that's the one thing about the Generational Divide i think about the most, bc i know i owe a lot to not having had to report back to anyone on all the weird YA i read in middle school.
i do wonder what percentage of antis actually participate in fandom by creating content? or are they literally just purely consuming content and not adding anything aside from hate and harrassment?
because it really feels like a lot of them are entitled babies that want to be fed the exact content they want but refuse to lift a finger to feed themselves
Idk there are plenty of anti creators because I've been in multiple fandoms now where nearly every single English speaking artist would have proshipper dni and I felt tired
I've unfortunately seen a really great artist dissolve into tweets about how much she wanted to read blue period but unfortunately the writer was a freak for making doujinshi in the past so. it happens.
genius
. Proshipper just means "a decent and sensible human being who can distinguish between fiction and reality and who tolerates and does not discriminate against what someone might depict in fiction."and like 0 consideration for other languages
like they think the way to protect kids online is to actively seek out "perverts" and "freaks"
it is still kind of dangerous but, in the way any cult is dangerous
like sure those things were available previously but not nearly as easily. people didnt have Japan in their phone 10 years ago
you wouldnt have been given a critical thinking class
even in math, some word problems were made to encourage critical thinking and thats part of why many kids struggle with word problems
for example in pokemon scarlet/violet you are given a math problem about pokeballs to find how many pokeballs you qould get with a certain amount ofmoney, but the critical thinking portion was understanding that you also would receive a Premier ball
all of that stuff is critical thinking
also Pizza Hut had individual ones based on nearby franchises
this tweet basically sums up my thoughts on the subject
how do you dangan while anti