Lilith
Lilith
LMFAO THAT IS NOT WHAT HE SAID (rofl) Captcha Check
Loup D'etat
Look...he misinterprets her all the time
Loup D'etat
Let me have some fun with it
Loup D'etat
And stop stalking my threads!!! :-P
Loup D'etat
(Jk)
Loup D'etat
Also like...she’s trying to soothe Klaus so cut her some slack!
Lilith
roflmao Nope (LOL)
Lilith
It was hilarious and I love it
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
(LOL)
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Amazing.
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Ari says it must be an Earther thing. Too much love.
Lilith
lol yup
Lilith
Though Nobunaga is like "Not in Hell but "
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Someday she'll learn to be more specific! ;-)
Loup D'etat
Ok, but he essentially told her that it’s a twisted version of that! I can quote it!
Lilith
Lay it on me (LOL)
Lilith
He also will show Klaus this first text if asked, but forgot he wrote it down instead of just telling her Captcha Check
Loup D'etat
Oh, she’s pretty sure he thinks he’s in love with her he’s just ducking lying to himself if he denies it
Lilith
(rofl)
Loup D'etat
Loup D'etat
Here
Lilith
He's like "I love ME but I'm only in love with Klaus \o\" but he loves the ~game~
Lilith
Yes see (LOL) convoluted (lmao)
Loup D'etat
That’s so mean though!!!
Lilith
(rofl)
Lilith
He loves her
Lilith
But he's more like "I need to do that without violence and I don't know how yet"
Lilith
See also: he's harshest to himself and very violent to Klaus oops
Loup D'etat
Anyway, she’s gonna win this game
Lilith
CLEARLY
Lilith
Nobunaga: I'm trying to learn to not just not hate myself but actively love myself
Nobunaga: /Seduces himself like a boss
Lilith
Also Nobunaga: /hoisted icon/ How could this happen?!
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Ah, but he also loves Crichton and Ari and he's not violent to them. So he can do it!
Lilith
Yeah but they're not as badly like him in the way that makes him want to beat himself up lmfao
Lilith
Which was also part of why Ari made him realize it, because talking about other versions of yourself
Lilith
Nobuanga and Five are always like
Lilith
"I'mma kill myself that other dick is GOING DOWN"
Lilith
And Klaus is like "Imma seduce myself, I'm hot /preen"
Lilith
But Klaus is mean to himself (drugs) so
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Hah, whereas she's just like any Ari Tayrey in a universe not my own is not actually me and so is irrelevant and not worth worrying about.
Loup D'etat
Ari has reason, listen to Ari
Lilith
yes but
Lilith
There are a lot of versions of Nobunaga
Lilith
If he can learn to not stab himself... he will be the strongest
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Ari says yes, if everyone listened to her it would make things better (LOL)
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
I don't know if she'll ever move past the 'have to go home' thing, but if she does then plan B will be to find a universe almost exactly the same except she died in some Tradeline battle. So she can show up all 'reports of my death were greatly exaggerated' and carry on.
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Scare the Tradeliners
'But we sent your body out into space!'
'Don't underestimate Cardalek genetics' :-P
Lilith
roflmao
Loup D'etat
Omg hahaha
Loup D'etat
He does not get to stab her! No! Bad Oda
Lilith
He won't!
Lilith
That's why he's trying to learn to love himself WITHOUT THE STABBING
Loup D'etat
You need to learn to be gentle!
Lilith
So Klaus ALSO won't be all "IMMA LET MYSELF BE STABBED NOW"
Lilith
HE IS TRYIIIIING
Lilith
(LOL)
Loup D'etat
This is the most convoluted shit dude
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
He did say it was convoluted (LOL)
Lilith
He did!!!
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
If you want peace and prosperity, try to avoid stabbing anyone. More sound Ari advice.
Lilith
rofl
Lilith
He hasn't stabbed her or himself yet
Lilith
Lilith
He's trying
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
He is!
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Although if he ever stabbed her Ari would just be disbelieving. 'That was an accident, correct?' Before she collapses.
Lilith
alskdjasl;kdj babby
Lilith
He wouldn't stab her
Lilith
Straight up why he won't teach her swords
Loup D'etat
Valdis can teach people swordsmanship without stabbing them. ITS NOT HARD
Lilith
GOOD YOU TEACH
Loup D'etat
More evidence that they are not the same
Lilith
Well she's a female lawyer hellhound
Lilith
So there's mroe than one way but
Loup D'etat
True lol
kingdonkey
Klaus just out here like, “As long as it’s sexy violence, we’re fine.”
Lilith
Nobunaga doesn't want to sexy violence himself/Valdis either sooooooooooo (LOL)
Lilith
But Klaus can probably convince Nobuanga to treat Valdis with romance (LOL)
kingdonkey
LOL. Klaus says the sexy violence is about himself...he doesn't really think he needs to sexy violence Valdis
kingdonkey
Unless that's like...a thing
Lilith
Nope
Lilith
But if Nobunaga can't learn to be nice to himself he can't teach Klaus the same so (LOL)
kingdonkey
LOL
kingdonkey
Klaus is trying, okay?
Loup D'etat
I go to the barn and come back to this...
kingdonkey
You did leave us to our own devices
kingdonkey
I don't think you can blame us for this
Loup D'etat
I’m not your mother!
kingdonkey
Or are you?
Loup D'etat
But another vote for no sexy violence. We can work with sexy, but not violence
kingdonkey
Klaus knows what he's about
Loup D'etat
I am so confused, I have no idea what Oda wants or is talking about just pure confusion
Lilith
Lol Klaus can have sexy violence. All his. Nobunaga just wants to learn to not use violence for people other than enemies and Klaus gets sexy violence
Lilith
Man something hit me downstairs but I'm still sort of hallucinating very weird
kingdonkey
sjdkfs
kingdonkey
Oh my
Loup D'etat
No, not that how he's flipping back and forth, in the above thread he's like, yeah twisted version of my loving myself and talking with klaus he's like I already love myself, but I want to do it without violence, and he also told Valdis he thinks she's afraid of him loving her and he also told Klaus that he doesm'
Loup D'etat
and I am so confused
kingdonkey
I do not know. I live here
Lilith
Nobunaga loves his ego, but not his let's say tender self. He doesn't like his princess heart (from his father) and his generally protectiveness because he had gotten used to seeing how it could (would/was) used to hurt him.
Lilith
He does love his dark side (ego, sadism) but this isn't super healthy, and knows it because =>
Lilith
It makes handling Valdis dangerous especially because she can reflect back at him the parts of himself that he wants to literally conquer
Lilith
So he does cherish Valdis, but in that dark side way => which led to problems. So he wants to learn to be kinder but. Like... he will never phrase it like that probably. See also: meditation.

In IkeSen he does get less murderous because of Mai abd learns to use it as a strength too, but yeah he's confusing himself even with the Klaus talk ATM. He was like
Lilith
"I had this figured out I swear!"
Lilith
Oh and
Lilith
Doesn't want to be in love but wants to actually do the act of love (nonsexually)
Lilith
Aka: BE KIND BUT HES SO DUMB YCIGXUTX7RX7RX
kingdonkey
Klaus just like, "PLEASE! I AM BEGGING YOU!"
Loup D'etat
That;s a lot of feelings for a dude who has the emotional range of a teaspoon
Loup D'etat
anyway, glad that is OOCly cleared up because I've been confused all day
kingdonkey
Lol. Nobunaga just got Ron Weasley’d
Loup D'etat
She told him that ICly too
kingdonkey
Ahaha. Yeah. Klaus just needs Nobunaga to understand that blind people exist. -weeps-
Lilith
Lmfao
Lilith
I mean in hell? Not for long they don't /shot
Lilith
Nobunaga is deeply emotional as Klaus said but he doesn't process/understand them terribly well.
Lilith
Think Gaston
Lilith
Ditto ego buuuut
Lilith
Oh look a total crybaby about things he can't deal with
Lilith
Nobunaga is just extremely fucking radical / progressive about things

And likes poetry. And philosophy * caveat: Still sides with bad guys/demons because he's a lunatic but
Lilith
Also views "you are as emotionally competent as a head of cabbage" to be a compliment lmfao because emotions are exploits sooooo yes call him invincible he'll be thrilled
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
lol now I'm imagining Valdis teaching Ari swordfighting and I can't work out whether it'd bring them closer or they'd drive each other completely mad.
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
But at least no stabbing each other.
Exacerangutan
basically he's a tankie, but in an era of incessant warfare and famine, so it's at least justifiable
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
And now we have Gaston's song bit replace his name with 'Oda' (LOL)
Loup D'etat
Oh no...Gaston is awful
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
lolol he'd better not be a secret communist, Ari would be furious
Exacerangutan
rofl well not that aspect so much as the "massive violence and war crimes are a legitimate means of advancing my political agenda" aspect
Loup D'etat
The scariest thing about Gaston is that society liked and approved of him
Exacerangutan
and consider how many tankies are perfectly happy to support fascists as long as they're vaguely communism-flavored
kingdonkey
Klaus told his cult they didn’t need their worldly possessions or to suffer capitalism
Lilith
Exacerangutan : I mean he's pro-capitalist though XD
Lilith
Lmfao ikr yes Klaus and Nobunaga are so
Lilith
Hcohc9hcoyc idek
Lilith
How did they wind up magnets
Lilith
Loup D'etat : I mean I think two things. 1) charisma (money even when it's all bluff) goes a long way. See also Trump and Logan Paul 2) Gaston specifically only did things he could still be popular doing. So he's very evil but good at subverting it with hunting trophies and approved toxic masculinity see again ^ Trump and LP
Lilith
3) Nobunaga is just a fucking weirdo all "I will be the most hated as long as I can get rid of this abominable caste and endless wars "
Lilith
Whereas everyone else was kind of like, it's better to suffer (like Gaston for example, hiding his "true" self + hurting others) than be hated
Lilith
Counterpoint -- Elon Musk is hated even DOING the "acceptable evil/toxic masculinity" because he has negative charisma and also no solid principles.
Lilith
You "can" be as evil as Trump and still have eerie fucking cult supporters, but only if you are always sticking to it like the most idiotic of idiots (see also Logan Paul)
Lilith
It's like bohohvohvohv lmfao so fucked up
Nobunaga is an idiot like this, but he's smarter in other ways so....
Lilith
It confuses easily because he doesn't match up on expectations
Lilith
Like is he an idiot?
Yeah but also a genius. He literally had to be told "Arthur and Erin are blind" and "Skulduggery cannot ear or drink"
Lilith
Meanwhile he was centuries ahead of the world in understanding certain specialized things, tactics, social structures, economics

But this also makes him insane because....
Lilith
He can see the possibilities which means he loses sight of directly what is and double plus, he doesn't often tell people the possibilities because it's a lot. So he's still learning to try and overcompensation is my enemy with him (LOL)
Exacerangutan
it's a lot and it doesn't make sense to most people because there's no context to bridge the gap between present and potential which is partly what speculative fiction is for but that's another conversation
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
I love when he goes on about Ari's lack of imagination and how thinking like him will hurt her. Because it's completely her fault for getting to deep into 'imagine if my greatest fear were true' because he wanted her to and telling him not to do that
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
But also that was a very specific circumstance! Usually her imagination works just fine (LOL)
Lilith
(LOL) well hewas trying to be like "now solve it" but see Paul ^, no bridge
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Aw yes. If they'd gotten that far she might have told him some things are unsolvable! But instead she was just frightened.
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Which kind of shows how deep that goes because she'd be fine with 'imagine you were attacked by pirates, what would you do?' or other similar things she's afraid of.
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
But no existential terror please ;-)
Lilith
Oops
Lilith
Whereas Nobunaga is forever "Nothing is unsolvable"
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Yes! Including getting her home. Which is why she likes him so much (drinking)
Exacerangutan
tbh it's one of the ways not being quite human helps Hiroe relate to him, she's used to seeing things from a very different perspective, and as a trickster entity, reframing things and undermining common wisdom is in her nature
Lilith
yeeeessss
Loup D'etat
He’s just the embodiment of chaos
Lilith
He tries
Loup D'etat
She can try to teach him to be a little more reflective in the moment, even be kinder to himself and those around him. But she’s gonna set some pretty solid boundaries and be strict about them
Lilith
Lay it on him! He respects boundaries, they just have to be laid out to him because he's dumb
Loup D'etat
Ari thinking Valdis is emotional when she’s gonna sit here and teach Nobunaga to process his emotions in a healthy manner
Lilith
lmfao
Lilith
If it involves meditation he REFUSES
Lilith
Watching Way of the House Husband now (read the manga before but was waiting for Kyle)
Lilith
And I'm just "Yeah 100%"
kingdonkey
Lol
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Ari thinks all that rearranging the Timmy Bahama and cleaning floors with Yato might count as meditation :-P
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
*Tommy lol
kingdonkey
TIMMY BAHAMA
kingdonkey
My brother is the Bahama now
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
But also yes she should mention Valdis' emotions to her someday!
Lilith
TBF That is definitely Nobunaga's zen
Lilith
doing something seemingly useless for the sake of the motion and art B-)
Loup D'etat
Valdis has some non-sitting stool meditation ideas for sure
Loup D'etat
*still
Loup D'etat
Dumb autocorrect
kingdonkey
STOOL
kingdonkey
Ilu
Lilith
You cannot make him do tai chi. But he could do yoga if Klaus lies to him about the pose names and makes it sexual
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Ari might like tai chi
Lilith
Oda says "EW GROSS"
Lilith
Even though it's literally opposite but
kingdonkey
Lolol. Klaus knows martial arts. Considering what they probably learned growing up
Lilith
Yes (LOL)
Exacerangutan
WotHH is so good
Exacerangutan
... also Hiroe is confident she can get him to learn some tai chi with the right branding XD
Lilith
It is
Lilith
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REALLY GOOD BRANDING (LOL)
Lilith
I love how fucking dramatic and OTT it is, Nobunaga is just yes 100% SAME
Lilith
sleep with the fishes
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
It's kind of like doing kata, slowly. Getting him to do yoga would be funnier though!
Lilith
Name the poses after means of torture
Lilith
I mean you could get him iwth the "slower kata" but only as warmups cooldowns
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
(LOL) that would make it more appealing for him?
Lilith
Yes (LOL) he's a chuuni
Lilith
"That means it's badass /EYEGLEAM"
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Closet masochist :-P
Lilith
He says if he was more of a masochist he'd have gotten along better with the world
Lilith
Just admires them
Lilith
Is like a 3 out of 1-10 on the scale, just thinks only 5+ = "actual masochists"
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Fair :-D
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Ari is probably doing pretty well with actual kata and such. Disappointed that her need to avoid breaking the timeline means she can't just throw around the people who said she'd be useless at fighting when she goes home!
Lilith
(LOL)
Lilith
Do it anyway, what's a little kugelblitz now and again :V
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
lol she's probably smarter than that. Find some excuse to go planetside for a week and come back all oh I found an amazing teacher and turns out I'm a natural :-D
Lilith
XDDDD yes
kingdonkey
Klaus just shaking his head
ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ꜱᴋʏ
Klaus doesn't want to do tai chi or yoga?
kingdonkey
Klaus has no problems with tai chi or yoga. He just finds Nobunaga so weird sometimes
Lilith
He is
kingdonkey
Klaus does yoga all the time...and will probably just start doing it more regularly for something to do to distract himself
Lilith
Lol sexy
kingdonkey
He tries
Exacerangutan
sneak tai chi into bagua *nods
kingdonkey
Klaus trying to understand what is happening in this friend group like...."I am just barely sober and everyone is being very....difficult to read right now"
Lilith
Rest up babby
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