duck bastard
[work/racism] dead eyes my manager....
duck bastard
we have monday off, and talk of how it's either called Columbus Day or Indigeneous People day or just.... "a federal holiday" because it's some sort of compromise, apparently
duck bastard
anyway, that came up with a client
duck bastard
and I can already mentally tell that it's going to be a nightmare from where I'm at but i'm kind of hoping it won't be as much of one
duck bastard
........................and then of course my manager starts whining about how kids can't play Cowboys and Indians because ~they're not Indian~
duck bastard
and just eugh
Dragoncember
what child in this day and age is playing cowboys and indians????
duck bastard
who damn well knows
Dragoncember
people really do be fuckin just grasping at straws
papermint tiger
/sigh
𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦
your manager must not have kids since like
𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦
they weren't playing that when I was a kid and I'm 30
duck bastard
the stupid mocking ass way she said "Native American" when saying the right name made me want to throw something at her
duck bastard
yeah that's the proper name because this isn't India, you stupid fuck
MR SEPHIROTH
although I'm not sure the name is at the core of the problem with cowboys and indians...
papermint tiger
just play cops and robbers, jeez. it's basically the same thing
MR SEPHIROTH
do kids even play cops and robbers either??
papermint tiger
i have no idea man i'm pretty sure most of them play Fortnite
MR SEPHIROTH
I don't remember playing anything so conventional, it was like... cyborg cats or let's all pretend to be birds today
papermint tiger
i used to play a game where i was picking food for a picnic
papermint tiger
not real food mind you
MR SEPHIROTH
throwing a funeral for a random piece of candy because it lost a race
papermint tiger
my dad got us those teeny beanie babies from McDonalds and i had an elaborate cultural structure for them that broke them into factions and also they were all at war with the other factions of teeny beanie babies
MR SEPHIROTH
oh absolutely. stuffed animal culture is complex.
soapflakes
oh yup we did that with regular sized beanie babies
duck bastard
I LARP'd if i did anything lmao. I know I had toys but I can't remember what I did with them
duck bastard
and by larp, i mean i pretended to be a husband which meant taking my shirt off, or I pretend to be pokemon
soapflakes
but that was like, me and close friends. the kids just on my block definitely played cops and robbers when we were in big groups
soapflakes
no cowboys and indians though, soooo that was probably maybe further back than the 90s
MR SEPHIROTH
...I actually don't even have a concept of how one plays cops and robbers. is it just basically like.. tag?? some of you pretend to steal a thing and the other kids give chase???
duck bastard
who knows, we didn't play it either, we just did tag or four square or bodily injuring ourselves
soapflakes
it was like one half of the group is against the other half, probably involved some form of tag yeah. I don't remember playing myself I wasn't really interested lol
soapflakes
speaking of bodily injuring ourselves anyone else play red rover
BIG DAD ENERGY
all i vividly remembered was playing Ghost Busters but the ghosts were dinosaurs
skelefriend
I distinctly remember playing pretend loosely based off disney movies with the kids at daycare when I was smol, and often bargaining to be animal companion characters since there was some odd silent agreement that nobody was going to play the villains
papermint tiger
i played red rover once or twice with my church group but i think that was mostly the adults organizing it because they couldn't think of a better way to keep a large number of kids occupied and mostly unharmed
skelefriend
even if my true desire was to play Hades
skelefriend
none of use played cowboys and indians or cops and robbers
skelefriend
*us
papermint tiger
i imagine that agreement came about because the villains always lose because they have to, so
skelefriend
probably
MR SEPHIROTH
yeah I wanna say most of the time, if we were playing a game that involved some kind of roleplaying, nobody played the villain? the villain was just imaginary
skelefriend
ye
soapflakes
LOL I remember The Boys wanting to play the villains in my childhood neighborhood group. which was one of my friends' brother and his friend. and then me and my friend played sailor senshi
soapflakes
so that was less Disney villains and more Anime villains
soapflakes
Anime and/or Power Ranger. sometimes we combined those
decaf coffee
Elves+Men vs Orcs because the older brothers of everyone I knew got really into LotR so we all just ran around yelling in Tolkien
decaf coffee
all the older brothers trying to get us to exactly reenact the silamarillion while we just ran around hitting each other with sticks p
decaf coffee
But like, yeah maybe you grew up playing cowboys and Indians, boomer. But everybody else grew up watching things that weren't John Wayne westerns
decaf coffee
Star wars came out and all the kids started hitting each other with lightsabers instead
Dragons Dragons
We always made our parents be the bad guys... or declared that the bullies were the bad guys so we'd run away from them...
Calliente
We weren't playing cobs and robbers/cowboys and Indians when I was a kid, and I'm almost 40???
Calliente
Probably kids haven't played those games since like. The 50s and 60s
Calliente
But boomers think it's because POLITICAL CORRECTNESS HAS GONE MAAAAD and not because, y'know, those tropes stopped being culturally relevant decades ago
Calliente
Tbh those tropes died out well before political correctness really took a strong stance against them to begin with, I think
Pen Again
^ I agree. I think those tropes were popular in their times because of shows and movies that made them relevant
Pen Again
So that was what kids experienced, so that is what kids played.
Pen Again
In another era, it might have been playing as a highwayman. Or as a gangster, or as soldiers
Pen Again
In my childhood, we played pirates with grandma, and played Batman or Jedi with my cousin, because that was what we as kids were experiencing in media
Pen Again
and of course barbies and stuffed animals with intricate societies like mentioned by others
Pen Again
Boomers and conservatives just want to complain about times gone by being destroyed by PCness without realizing ...those times are GONE
Pen Again
Anyway, where I'm at, the holiday is named after a tribal leader instead of generic indigenous people's or Columbus.
Pen Again
Some Native Americans still use the term Indians, but that is their choice to self-describe and not your manager's choice. And then there are some outdated names for gov't acts and organizations still in play that use the term Indian, but that's in reference to those specifically
Pen Again
(ex Indian Gaming Regulatory Act)
Cookie Politics
cowboys and Indians stopped being a kids game after Hollywood stopped making made up "wild west" shows, and you can probably thank Mel Brooks and his movie Blazing Saddles for nailing that coffin shut
七8九!
i've never seen anyone play cowboys and indians or cops and robbers outside of old media...also my senpai at work was reminding me about columbus day just today and my immediate reaction was wait is it still called that- (i didn't ask out loud though)
Calliente
Yeah, exactly - those games were relevant back when they were big things in the media of the day, but those haven't been big things in the media of the day for over 50 years
Calliente
Kids have no interest in playing those games because pop culture isn't feeding those ideas to them
Calliente
They're playing very different games, and that's fine
Calliente
Boomers who whine about kids not being able to play cowboys and indians don't know or care what kids today are playing, they're just whining about the implication that their childhood activities were culturally insensitive
Calliente
But bitch, you haven't been a child in a dog's age, what you did back then isn't relevant now and no one is time traveling to your childhood to shame you for it
Calliente
So how about you stop being pressed over things no one is giving you a hard time about to begin with
Pen Again
yup
Calliente
You have to disjoint your limbs in multiple ways to achieve that level of reach for things to be offended over but by god with grit and determination you've done it
TiredMattPlayer
the most recent old western I've seen was Lil Nas X's Old Town Road video. bet your boss would love that one.
Pen Again
I mean we have definitely had westerns in our lifetimes. True Grit, Unforgiven, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. Tombstone, Django Unchained. It's just...not the westerns our grandpas watched on tv or the Davy Crockett/etc era of tv that parents may have grown up with
Pen Again
The cowboys of today are just not John Wayne and are not uncontested "heroes" righting wrongs of the outlaw American West. I'm sure if I was more up on film history, we could say that the portrayal of the Cowboy in popculture has been forever changed since the Spaghetti Westerns and the cynicism of the 1960s/70s post Vietnam War but IDK
Calliente
Pen Again : This is extremely true, but also not a single one of those westerns was marketed to or expected to be watched by kids. Whereas, back in the day where as you observed, cowboys were treated as folksy heroes, westerns could be and sometimes were watched by a younger audience.
Calliente
I don't know if any were intentionally aimed at kids, or if it was more that back then things like film and radio weren't really divided up into marketable demographics like they are now and the whole family was meant/expected to engage with the same content, but the result is the same.Kids saw westerns and emulated them to play heroes/villains.
Calliente
I think it's fair to say that kids playing hero/villain games is pretty timeless, and what form the heroes and villains take is determined by pop culture. These days those games probably look like superheroes and supervillains thanks to superhero media like Marvel movies.
TiredMattPlayer
True Grit- grit is right there in the name! But yeah I think the only kid oriented western hero for our gen is Woody from Toy Story. And his story is about getting replaced literally and in pop culture by the space hero.
duck bastard
that just makes me laugh because my boss, like others in the place, is a big fan of disney, but apparently that little message went right over her head
Cookie Politics
I mean, yeah, that's par for the course with these types
Cookie Politics
that's how you end up with rich old Republican Trump stans who say Rage Against the Machine in their favorite band
Calliente
You are the machine, you bowl of dusty potpourri
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