Platinum
So, Wizards of the Coast has confirmed that they're working on a new edition of D&D to launch in 2024. Only it's not a new edition because they're 'getting rid of editions' and this will just be "One D&D".
Platinum
But it'll be backwards compatible with 5E, so there's that.
🫶Churby🫶
meanwhile, players everywhere: So you wanna play D&D 6E?
Platinum
Yeah.
🫶Churby🫶
this will last... until such point that they decide they want to make money off of a new core book and other add ons, to sell them to the people who already have them
Platinum
They're also making their own VTT, D&D Digital, that uses Unreal 5.
Zita
uhuh
Zita
good luck with that, wizards
Platinum
It's already started playtesting on D&D Beyond, so we'll see how it rolls.
Platinum
They've announced a new race, the Ardlings, which are the Celestial equivalent to Tieflings (But I thought the Aasimar were that? idk)
🫶Churby🫶
i thought the aasimar were that too?
Platinum
Ability Score increases at character generation, at least according to the proposed rules, will no longer be tied to race at all.
asuka brain
i'm just gonna go play The One Ring and chill
Platinum
Instead, they'll be tied to Backgrounds, which will also give you a feat.
asuka brain
concept of race needs to be destroyed in rpgs anyway tbh
Platinum
Also they're gonna codify that a Nat 1 is always a failure, no matter what bonuses you have to your roll or how skilled your character is.
Platinum
Which I guess a lot of people did anyway, but I hate the idea that Nat 1 is autofail and Nat 20 is autosuccess, so.
Zita
i hate it too
Zita
Basically at this point I don't have any respect for D&D as a game
Platinum
And they're cutting down the various spell lists into just three. Arcane, Divine, and Primal.
asuka brain
nat 1 is literally a meme, it's just the worst result you can get on a d20
🫶Churby🫶
/goes back to my 3.5 books/
Zita
They can tapdance around doing whatever they want to try to improve the bad implications of years and years of lore, but they don't actually care about D&D as a functional game with design goals that aren't "sell as many copies as possible by being barely adequate at a lot of things and not specialized in any of them"
🫶Churby🫶
yep.
asuka brain
also they need to decide if DnD is a tactical combat game or a rules lite game
Platinum
Yes
Zita
and tbf all modern d&d has been about selling, it's just 3rd was successful and 4th wasn't
asuka brain
which aren't... mutually exclusive, a friend of mine built a rad air combat sim out of PBTA
asuka brain
but like
Zita
tsr was also about selling but like
Platinum
Flying Circus? I bought that. Never got around to playing it, though.
Zita
the environment they were trying to sell into was wildly different
asuka brain
they need to choose what the game is good at tho
Zita
yes
asuka brain
Platinum : yeah, i'm friends with the author lol
🫶Churby🫶
with how many great different games there are out there, it's more important than ever to have a good focus on 'what we are'.
Platinum
I think I talked to the author once in one of your sister's plurks!
Zita
There are tons of people coming to D&D wanting a rules light storygaming experience and just ignoring half the rules anyway, and also believing that all TRPGs must have that many rules because it's the only game they've ever seen.
Platinum
Oh, Churby, Ardlings are "not a replacement for Aasimar", they're more like heavenly beings with animal heads like in Egyptian mythology.
Zita
tbf if u want an especially cynical read: if they did something exactly as half baked as Catalyst did for Shadorun Anarchy, it would make shit tons of money
Zita
and people would bend over backwards to call it good
asuka brain
and like while i have mad respect for all the dnd podcasts and whatever that have helped make rpgs more mainstream
Platinum
They're meant to more directly mirror Tieflings (which... Aasimar already did, but whatever) and can grow wings and cast some spells determined by their celestial heritage
asuka brain
i also feel like it gives people a bad expectation for what it's gonna be like because you and your friends or the people you find in a pick up group are not gonna be like that
Platinum
Yeah, I've got that same problem.
asuka brain
Platinum : THAT'S JUST AASIMAR WITH EXTRA STEPS
Platinum
There's a lot of people who get into it with expectations of an epic storyline with Matt Mercer-level characterization and storytelling and that's...
Platinum
that's like maybe 5% of DMs can pull that off?
🫶Churby🫶
Platinum : ah, that actually sounds more intersting? But also... like... huh?
asuka brain
I have had some cool DMs, but like
asuka brain
60% of the fun is just doing cool shit with your friends
asuka brain
and everyone has to come ot the table with the same kinda expectations
Zita
and it's not even just the DMing, you're also (usually) hearing edited final product with dead air, downtime, rules discussions etc removed
Platinum
Also, Orcs are gonna be a core race in One D&D's PHB, but with all of their traits being gifts from their god meant to make them survive in a world filled with monsters.
asuka brain
eh that's kinda cool, glad they're finally moving away from orcs being super evil and shit
Zita
So not just an unusually high tier of experienced dming, but also you get people roleplaying in a seamless almost radio drama way with a lot of the communication and discussion around that roleplaying or time to think removed.
Zita
i like that take on orcs at least
Zita
finally embracing that people just wanna get to play orcs without the weird half measure
Platinum
Yeah, they've been really trying to pull away from intelligent races as being inherently evil.
Platinum
Like, they've introduced two hidden forests full of drow that worship good deities so players aren't always playing rebels from the Underdark.
Platinum
For the Forgotten Realms alone.
Platinum
Oh
Platinum
On top of Nat 20s offering a guaranteed success, they'll also give inspiration.
Platinum
Which gives advantage on a die roll.
Platinum
And if your character already has inspiration, they can give it to a party member.
Platinum
And humans naturally gain inspiration after a long rest.
asuka brain
i'd have to like see the rest of the ruleset. but idk if they're leaning into the tactical combat again or if they're trying for the jack of all trades thing again
Platinum
I don't have a D&D Beyond account, so I can't see all of the changes.
Zita
hmm
Zita
i have an account
Platinum
Platinum
They keep talking about how they've been watching people play for the past decade, which, given how the most popular and visible games tend to go, makes me think they might be leaning more towards a story-heavy system
asuka brain
To be fair, I feel like a lot of the people who like the crunch went to PF.
Zita
yeah
asuka brain
RIP 4E you were a great tactical game but at least you're being reborn in Icon and Lancer.
Zita
and pathfinder 2e is built well for them
Zita
shadow of the demon lord has also pulled a lot of people that want a grimmer feel
Platinum
I've never gotten to play Pathfinder 1 or 2, so I never looked at the rules heavily except to get that 1 was just 3.75.
asuka brain
Icon looks neat, honestly.
Platinum
I never got into 4E, though.
Zita
4e was the first d&d i read
asuka brain
PF1 was deffo just 3.75, I hear PF 2E did some decent stuff but never played it.
asuka brain
4E waaaaas... very tactical, very action economy from what I remember.
Zita
it's been a while since i looked at it (i left my physical copy i bought on a whim in pennsylvania)
Zita
but i respected it a lot even though i didn't intend to play it
Platinum
The main thing I picked up about 4E was that it was full of ability cooldowns.
asuka brain
And much more focused on role within a party and the combat.
Zita
you could tell that the people designing it had thought carefully about what worked
Platinum
And that a lot of people compared it to WoW.
Zita
i've heard that 4e was fun if you addressed the fact that most of the monster manual suffered from huge hp bloat
Zita
i did get to play some star wars saga edition which was kind of the testing bed for a lot of ideas that went on to appear in 4e, but i don't remember it well and it wasn't run well
Platinum
Hm.
Platinum
Half-orcs and half-elves are now 'particularly common' and, I guess, not saddled with "I don't fit into either culture!" anymore.
Platinum
They're giving rules for playing combinations of any player race.
Platinum
You can have a half-elf/half-gnome now.
Zita
half halfing
Zita
three quarterling
Platinum
You joke, but a half-halfling is the example they give
asuka brain
legit
asuka brain
although i saw a thread about the whole half races thing that made me think a bit
Platinum
Oh?
Platinum
(Also, they're leaning hard into the multiverse existing here and I can't help but feel that's partially due to it being so prevalent in media nowadays)
asuka brain
tbf that's just planescape innit
asuka brain
also saw someone complaining about another furry race and went "wtf i love the new tieflings now"
Platinum
Also, you have the option to choose whether your characters are Medium or Small for several of the races in here, with a Small Human being, like, two to four feet tall. And I'm just like "Good luck adventuring when you're two feet tall"
asuka brain
Zita
they also have an incentive to lean into the multiverse because it furthers their cross-merchandising with MtG
Platinum
https://images.plurk.com/66mhXwDCMU0K4oVIXqE2xw.png
Platinum
I didn't even notice "wondrous pairing" at first.
Platinum
Oh, you mentioned Planescape?
Platinum
Sigil is namedropped as a possible origin of the human race and the birthplace of the Common tongue.
Platinum
And humanity spreads across the multiverse from there "bringing Sigil's cosmopolitanism with them"
Platinum
I can't wait for the Lady of Pain to be statted out and revealed to be the creator of humanity.
asuka brain
i wasn't that into 4e back in the day but at this pint in my life i'm like "wizards, just admit it's a combat-focused game and lean into it, for the love of god."
Platinum
hey, 6LilacMimeLions humans all come from Sigil now.
Zita
just... build a tactical fantasy combat game
then also write something and call it "D&D adventures" or w/e that operates on a stripped down ruleset for people to doodle around in without having to do the hacking themselvres
Platinum
Anyway, humans get proficiency in a skill of their choice, inspiration whenever they long rest, and can pick any feat they want at level 1 (in addition to their Background feat)
Zita
"zita you're advocating for a basic vs advanced split again"
and what if i am
Platinum
They also tend to create cultural melting pots wherever they go.
Zita
D&D designers: Please.... please play humans, please, someone, anyone, play humans....
D&D players: [spit blood in their eyes]
Platinum
a basic and advanced split would be good.
Platinum
But they can't call it that because it might come off as advanced players being 'better' or whatever.
Platinum
Ardlings, as mentioned, are the Egyptian god people with animal heads, with three legacies: Exalted (Chaotic Good), Heavenly (Lawful Good), or Idyllic (Neutral Good). They grow wings and fly for thirty feet as a Bonus Action, they get free spells at 1st, 3rd, and 5th level depending on their legacy, and they have Resistance to Radiant damage.
asuka brain
"I will play a hot tiefling for the 203rd time and you cannot stop me."
Platinum
Dragonborn have draconic ancestry to determine breath weapons and damage resistances, darkvision, and instinctively speak, read, and write Draconic.
Platinum
(The breath weapon is 1d10+character level with a saving throw of 8+Con modifier+Proficiency Bonus for half damage)
Platinum
they kinda suck.
Platinum
"I can unleash my draconic ancestry in a stunning elemental attack!"
"Yeah, yeah, I've got a heavy crossbow, too."
Platinum
Dwarves have darkvision, resistance to poison, Advantage on all saving throws involving poison, +1 to hit points at every level up, Tool proficiency with Jewler/Mason/Smith/Tinker Tools, and they all gain Tremorsense if they're touching stone, which idk what is
Platinum
Looks like it's a "Can pinpoint the location of any critter touching the earth" thing
Platinum
which is pretty hefty.
Mortarion
Lol I play humans extensively
Mortarion
https://images.plurk.com/6CjmI5YQMoRY3aA3xE3NmS.png https://images.plurk.com/5xBvn67c8qlGVsH6aa8JY0.png
Mortarion
And one R0b0t
Mortarion
Mortarion
Platinum
Elves have darkvision, Elven Lineage (which changes depending on what kind of elf you are. Wood elves are faster, High elves automatically memorize Prestidigitation but can memorize any other cantrip after a long rest, and Drow have 120 feet of Darkvision. Those're all the statted out ones.)
Platinum
They have Advantage on all saving throws against the Charmed status effect, have Proficiency in Perception, and are immune to all sleep effects. They Long Rest in only four hours and are never unaware during it.
Platinum
Gnomes are taller than the smallest human (they bottom out at three feet as opposed to two!), have darkvision, have Advantage on Int, Wis, and Cha saving throws, and gnomish lineages (forest or rock gnome) that decide what free cantrips you get.
Platinum
Oh, and if a gnome spends 10 minutes casting prestidigitation, they can create a tiny clockwork device that mimics one aspect of the prestidigitation spell.
Mortarion
Ardlings reminde of how they used to do mulhorandi
Platinum
Halflings are smaller than gnomes (I feel like that's backwards), have Advantage on all saving throws involving the Frightened status effect, they can move through the space of any creature a size larger than them (but can't share the space), they can reroll Nat 1s, and they have Proficiency in Stealth.
Platinum
Orcs can Dash as a bonus action and gain temporary hp when they do, have darkvision, can lift/carry/drag/push like they were one size category larger than they are, and can go "No I don't" when they hit 0 hp and go to 1 hp instead (but need to long rest between uses of that)
Platinum
I'll say this: So far their cultures have all been typical of D&D in the past, but Orcs are now noted for being willing to make peace with enemies and living in harmony with their neighbors and the natural world. And they tend to stick to territory claimed by their ancestors.
Mortarion
That's cool
Platinum
Tieflings now have fiendish legacies: Abyssal (Descended fromdemons, might have fur, horns, and tusks, smell funny, Resistance to Poison), Infernal (Descended from Devils, Resistance to Fire, horns, spines, tails, spells like sulfur or smoke), or Cthonic (looks like cadavers or succubi/incubi, or some other Neutral Evil fiend, Resists Necrotic.)
Platinum
They also get free spells depending on the Legacy, Darkvision, and all of them know Thaumaturgy.
Platinum
Tieflings are most commonly found in Sigil, but thanks to the actions of a bunch of Tiefling heroes, they're accepted just about everywhere in the multiverse, despite their demonic looks and heritage.
Platinum
Backgrounds are simple. You can make any background you want. They all get to bump ability scores by 2 for one and 1 for another, unless you decide to bump up three scores by 1. You get two Skill proficiencies. You get a Tool Proficiency. You get to learn a language (other than Common). You get 1 first level Feat. And you get 50 GP to spend on equipment.
Platinum
Feats are even more broken than they were in 5E. This one I'm looking at goes "If you buy a non-magical item, you get a 20 percent discount."
Platinum
On top of other benefits.
Platinum
Another lets gives you Luck Points equal to your Proficiency Bonus which lets you give Advantage to yourself or Disadvantage to anyone else (regained on Long Rest)
Platinum
And that's about it.
Platinum
Oh, and you're only supposed to roll a d20 Test if the target for success is greater than 5 or less than 30. Which, I guess, lets us know that One D&D doesn't plan for people to have enormous bonuses to rolls.
chreepy 👻
went the fuck are they cheapening inspiration by giving it away with every crit and long rest?
chreepy 👻
humans "create cultural melting pots" by fucking every other available race and creating half-sies
Platinum
They're doing Inspiration because they don't want players to fail
Zita
Wizards Marketing Research probably indicates players feel bad when they don't get what they want.
Zita
Which, yeah.
Zita
But it's like your fantasy vegetables
Zita
Your fantasy vitamins and your fantasy minerals to make your fantasy bones strong.
Zita
Wizards you're going to give the children fantasy scurvy.
Zita
THEN AGAIN it might also just be trying to combat that thing where people have a resource they never use because they don't know when they'll get it again
Zita
I bet a lot of players just sit on their inspiration like it's a phoenix down
Platinum
Also, with them codifying that a natural 1 is a failure, no matter what, they probably feel the need to lessen the chances of getting one
6LilacMimeLions
WAIT WHAT
6LilacMimeLions
are humans all unwitting agents of the lady of pain now
Platinum
That could be a thing
6LilacMimeLions
here for it tbh
Mortarion
Same
Platinum
Oh.
Platinum
This is interesting.
Platinum
I didn't read it this way at first, but someone just pointed it out to me.
Platinum
Under the rules as written for One D&D, only player characters can critically hit.
Platinum
It's actually pretty blatant now that I look at it.
Platinum
Weapons and Unarmed Strikes have a special feature for player characters: Critical Hits.
Platinum
So, yeah, NPCs can't crit anymore.
Mortarion
I don't mind that
Platinum
I don't think it's a great idea, tbh. It feels like another step towards "The players are better than everyone else"
pumpKen spice
I wonder if the ability to crit will become a feature for certain monsters? It feels like taking that away entirely is. Weird
chreepy 👻
what the hell why are they taking away the drama of the BBEG landing a crit? or the joy of the final boss totally whiffing it with a nat 1
Platinum
Folks will still whiff on a nat 1, it's now officially in the rules specifically because it's such a popular house rule.
chreepy 👻
right but does that apply to just PCs or NPCs too?
Zita
I've seen enough games where the opposition doesn't even roll attacks that this isn't beyond the pale for me but it's very weird for d&d
Platinum
The Nat 1 applies to everyone.
Platinum
Nat 20 as an autosuccess also applies to everyone. It's only the crits that explicitly don't. Also only player characters get Inspiration from a Nat 20.
chreepy 👻
ok but what's the point of rolling a crit if you don't get extra damage, PC and NPC both
pumpKen spice
The inspiration thing is so weird
chreepy 👻
don't get me started on how they're giving away inspiration like it's a free salsa sample at a grocery store
Platinum
Were that many people really sitting on Inspiration out of fear of using it at the wrong time?
chreepy 👻
I mean... I sit on inspiration bc I'm ADHD and forget I have it
chreepy 👻
but it still feels good to get it because I've earned it by doing something to amuse or impress the DM
chreepy 👻
if it was left up to chance (rolling a 20) or automatically given every time I long rest, then it's not special anymore
Platinum
Will Inspiration after every nat 20 and every long rest (if human) and any bit where you've done something "particularly heroic or amusing" and any time you listen to someone with the Musician Feat play an instrument?
Platinum
*help you remember, that is
chreepy 👻
honestly probably not.
Platinum
No word on Bardic Inspiration, but Musician Feat now lets a player give inspiration to a number of allies equal to their proficiency bonus, to be refreshed after every short or long rest
chreepy 👻
tbh I have no problem with them designing a mechanic to grant people an advantage to use at the time of their choosing on long rests/Nat 20s, but don't lump it in with the existing inspiration mechanic
chreepy 👻
the word inspiration should hold meaning
chreepy 👻
if they want to just hand out extra advantages, call it an extra advantage
chreepy 👻
sorry, I realize I went on a bit of a manic rant and it's a weird hill to choose to die on >_<
Platinum
It's D&D, we've all got weird hills when it comes to that.
tinybro
the no enemy crits thing is questionable to me mostly because this is supposed to be compatible with 5e, but that immediately renders the grave cleric ability to cancel enemy crits useless
Platinum
We'll have to see how they handle that in the future, but as it stands now, the text pretty clearly says that only PCs crit.
Platinum
https://images.plurk.com/7DczlDPdUk3LMUP7AFvOfU.png
asuka brain
i unironically liked 3/3.5's crit hit and crit hit range
Platinum
(Also, under these rules, spells don't crit and you don't increase damage from Smiting or Sneak Attacks, you only double weapon damage.)
Platinum
Crit hit range makes some sense. The ranges given didn't always make sense, but some weapons are just deadlier than others.
pumpKen spice
But criting on sneak attacks is so much fun!!
Zita
tinybro : i think things like this happen any time a trpg claims to be backward compatible
there's some shit like this in werewolf too
Platinum
The Bard's Magical Secrets ability, letting them snag a spell from any other spell list, is significantly less useful now that there's only three spell lists.
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