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Tenth Doctor Containment plurk CW: PTSD, semi suicidalness and general spoilers
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because Yon Fellow is interested :-P
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DOCTOR
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you have issues
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Deep rooted issues
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that did not go away completely from your 9th face
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and you need therapy
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The War is over, Doctor
Exacerangutan
Doctor no dating a human teenager is not therapy it's distraction-seeking
Yon Fellow
Yes but it's not over how he wanted
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Breathe! Enjoy life
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nope
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and there's still all the self loathing and guilt of the war not ending his way
Yon Fellow
Yup
Exacerangutan
I still like the Five Stages of Grief as a rough-sketch model for the 9th-13th Doctors
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Dating Jack isnt therapy either :-P
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Yup and they - more or less follow it
Yon Fellow
Exacerangutan : That's... actually brilliant
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through, Im still iffy because Chinball writing
Exacerangutan
of course, they're not actually stages, but never mind that, call'em the five stages of grief
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and just - everything with Gallifrey being - IDK
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otherwise, yes, Paul you have shared the before and it was great
Exacerangutan
oh yeah no Chibnall's writing is trash, but 13 is very much Acceptance of the mess that was the Time War and her previous incarnations' attempts to square with their collective past
Exacerangutan
...I forget if it was my idea or Sharie's we yelled back and forth about it so much XD
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but its not done well - atall
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we all sorta pitched in between the three of us
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and it falls apart because 13 is trying to figure out who she was that she cant remember
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SO - anyways - getting back to Ten
Exacerangutan
yeah anyways XD
Exacerangutan
point being 10 in that model is Anger
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Yup
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which is what he's doing right now orz
Exacerangutan
and once he loses his emotional support animal companion, he gets way more murdery than he is at any other time
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>> and he has no emotional support companion in game
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:x
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shinotenshi22 this is why he might be destructive and had to ask about breaking stuff
Exacerangutan
yeah like Donna says, he needs someone to stop him
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Mmmm
shinotenshi22
yep
shinotenshi22
I've said before, Trunks'd be a good companion
shinotenshi22
(not that you're looking ,or I'm looking for that matter)
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xD
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also Im sorta laughing because this feels sorta like Pokemon
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when the moves dont do anything
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XD
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they both stare
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its not very effective
Exacerangutan
ppfff
Exacerangutan
IDK Trunks well enough to gauge, myself (thinking) ......but Chichi probably would, I'm pretty sure she has that "I'll play along where you're the expert but if this gets stupid I'm not afraid to smack you" energy
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annnnnd the guns are brought up
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Oh boy
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OH BOY
Yon Fellow
Look, Ten is only the second most complicated, second most violent, second most alien-race-ending crazy person Trunks would have tried to bond with and he's a lot nicer than the other one
Exacerangutan
XD
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LOL
Exacerangutan
I mean I might stand up for him on the Complicated point, but otherwise, yeah I'm with you
Yon Fellow
Second most complicated from Trunks' POV
Yon Fellow
How about that /shot
Exacerangutan
I mean since he knows one and not the other that's easily true XD
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annnd now, its starting to wind down into the guilt complex
Yon Fellow
Yeah, well, it's never too long, is it
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but thats good, better than in RAGE
Yon Fellow
That one usually takes slightly longer but it inevitably shows up as well
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Ehhhh in Rage varies
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Ten was in rage for quite a bit in Idiots Lantern
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When, no power on this Earth could stop him >.>
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his Rose's face was gone, Doctor has very specific triggers
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the situation was just thankfully defused in this case
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before more regrets could be made
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but yes, the brooding will start
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and he's gonna be forced with some therapy which is good
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in other words, what is your problem? >:<
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and thats good because Doctor avoids any problems, Doctor, themself has
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and solves everyone elses but their own
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through, to be honest, there is some therapy with NuWho Doctors with solving and helping others
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That is sorta NuWho Doctor therapy
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for The Doctor, themself
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but confronting that head on is another thing
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because Doctor is afraid* of their self
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also Im using they,them right now because 9 - 13 are both male and female
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but Ten specifically, hide from The Family of Blood to protect them from him
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So yeah, Doctor is afraid and aware
Yon Fellow
Yeah. Some deep self-loathing vibes there about what he's capable of.
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and the real danger atm is that Ten doesnt have anyone in game to stop him from doing dumb
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until all of this and its good it happened now and not during a mission
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because now they all sorta know that he can be dumb
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and he's at least at canon point where he still wants to make friends thats the other plus
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so, there can be some sort of leash on him
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but lets be fair, when there's no Jack, Rose, Martha or Donna
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it was a matter of time before dumb happened
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A matter of time
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Nu Who Doctors are also super depending on the companion
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much more than Classic
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I would say 9 -12 for sure have a co-dependency on a companion
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Im not - sure with 13
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and its Chibnalls' writing that makes it hard to read into
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maybe the finale will shed some light on this but Im not super hopeful
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and gosh, Im sorry the focus is Ten its just that there are also core aspects here too
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but yeah, Ten's therapy for his trauma is helping others and not himself directly
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and thats not good the pillar can and does crumble
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Doctor you need to have self care so you can take care of others
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E.S. Levi to your point from last night
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but yeah, Doctor is afraid of their self and death
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and you all go, The Doctor is immoral :-P
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but - that face of that Doctor does die and is gone
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so there is a lost and sort of dying that 10, 12 and now 13 dont want to face
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also why I am mad with Clara at the end because 11 was at PEACE
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which Im gonna link this because its a lovely talk between 10 and Wilf
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Its also a lovely talk on how Ten admits that he talks others into taking their lives :x
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but yeah, 11 and Clara is adorable its just what Moffat did to force The Doctor to keep living
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11 was accepting of his fate :x
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dont do that if you're gonna give the character and entire another set of regenerations
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but Im gonna go on more about this since this supposed to be about Ten xD
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but yeah most of the NuWho Doctors fear dying
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and Ten is also; completely in love with himself XD
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no really, he is
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to a bad degree
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and hence all the teenager whining that happens in that last epsiode
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through now theres new canon that also makes that make more sense
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because you find out Ten took on DEath and won and then after that decided it was wrong
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and later canonpoints are just - not game fun
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with these
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not to say that events cant make stuff crop up but at least events are the reason and not because of the canon point
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even if the angst is always there its layered and hidden beneath the happy-happy-perky ness
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and when those layers are all peeled away - yeah
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its just a lot of Doctor needs to face what Doctor doesnt like about their self
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and Doctor does not
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and Rose, Jack and Martha dont try to do that
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or Donna
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they just smooth that away
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which to be fair, the kindness did work
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till you know, they left, Ten doesnt know how to handle loss well at all :x
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and we'll see about 13 in her last epsiode but, right now, no NuWho Doctor does well with loss
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but yeah, there is an interesting fear of NuWho Doctors and dying
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for someone who is immortal
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and there seems less of that in Classic Who
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through I would think One was horrified because what is happening?!?!
Yon Fellow
I mean, considering the events of the interim that does
Yon Fellow
make some sense
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yes but its also weird because you're immortal and fear death
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which is an interesting concept but it makes sense because each face is like their own person
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not 100% but enough to be their own person
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theres always that core so thats why I start talking about the others :-P
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but yeah, 1 and 11 are the Doctors to have died of old age
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and not something traumatic
Yon Fellow
Right. There's shared memories and obviously the core framework is still intact. But that framework is what was traumatized by the War, so it still makes a lot of sense, I suppose.
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nod nod
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and even if 13 is further out with negitive emotions
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they're still hinting from The Flux that she still fears death
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and 12 monologed like 10 did about regenerating
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but 11 made peace about it
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but it was also because Doctor was trapped in a spot without The Tardis
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so that was forced to make peace about it
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a lot of interesting stuff comes from canon when Doctor is forced in a single time-place for a long period of time
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like Ten having children with reinette
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or even Queen Elizabeth
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we did learn from the audios that Ten was looking for a simple place to settle for a bit
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he got a bit tired from adventuring for a bit after the TLV fall out
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so Ten did put himself in a spot too on purpose
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and probably also trying to figure out how to prolong the four knocks too
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which I really felt validated with the new canon as of late
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with Ten being stuck in a jamjar
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and I think Ive touched on how there's an hour audio with Ten trying to find a way to not die
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and sort of losing it and scaring in Fourth face with his behavior
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which being able to concern 4 at all is saying a lot
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Yon Fellow and the framework being traumatized by the War
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is 9 - 13 being the different stages of Grief that Paul sorta went into
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but this far out, its very quite possible that The Doctor is more awake of their own mortality with each of their faces
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even if as a whole is immortal
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and given - we dont know who long The Doctor was in The War
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but The Doctor did go in as a new regeneration and come out old so-
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IT WAS AWHILE
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Hundreds of years
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of seeing and causing bloodshed :x
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Granted the Time War, with the time part itself could have aged The Doctor too
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but it was still longer than what a human would have gone though
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and out of order XD
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because 4, it's theorized started the Time War
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so -
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Theres a wonderful Youtube video , where outdated does put things in linear order
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outdated because new stuff :-P
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because remember Time War because Time was weaponized
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by both the Daleks and Time Lords
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time was a literal weapon
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think Doctor Strange fighting himself
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and some of the 8 audios PRe Time War are sad
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with The Doctor helping on the sidelines and how indivduals became orphans of the Time War
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because the fight between the two speicies caused that planet to crease to ever existing usually
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so the War is less vague now and you have a sense of the horror that 9, 10 and 11 need to deal with
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and they dont :x
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but yeah, Time War is deep
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there are Classic Who connections
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Yon Fellow think its legit to say the framework was damaged
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For sure
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I mean war is war no matter the scale
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nod nod
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But I am going to go back to my other point
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Where Rose, Jack, Martha and Donna were good for helping 9 and 10
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they didnt make either of those faces - face their issues
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and thats where the problem lies
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they mended with kindness but thats it
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further what is interesting
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9 was okay with using guns up until Rose questions 9
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in the Dalek epssiode
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because the Dalek wasnt the one pointing the gun at Rose and The Dalek
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it was The Doctor
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which is part of 10s not wanting to use them- its not just tramu but Rose talking sense
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and the Dalek epsiode with 9 is really really good on the psychology way of who was really the killer?
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The Lone Dalek in chains or The Doctor?
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and afterwards, 9 meets JAck and chews JAck up for the sonic gun
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and Ive mentioned before, The Dalek epsiode with 9 was a Big Finish audio :-P
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before being a 9 epsiode
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RTD is well connected with Big Finish
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this also convinced Briggs to allow RTD to use The Daleks
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because RTD actually wasnt sure if that was going to happen and actually - had a sorta season 3 finale drafted for 9 in case
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The Toclafane were drafted in season 1
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but yeah, great entire episode of who is really the killer ^
E.S. Levi
LATE BUT. Yeah. Aelienor got a shock when she saw how someone who lived purely for the sake of his responsibilities to others wound up so hollow and utterly snapping when he lost the last person he was close to, and realized that if she keeps trying to cling to 'constantly keep myself busy with responsibilities' as a coping method, she's going to
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burn out and break.
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yeah, The Doctor hasn't figured that out
E.S. Levi
Aelienor will tell him point blank if she realizes that's what he's doing!
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LOL good
E.S. Levi
Also.
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She will ask him if he forgives others their mistakes, if they truly feel bad about what they've done.
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well 10, does too
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9 Did not
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that was a learning process from Rose
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and Classic Doctor - wasn't really forgiving either :x
E.S. Levi
Yeah, Aelienor didn't at first, either.
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did you want to poke into that btw?
E.S. Levi
Which, coupled with her guilt complex manifesting and trying to kill her, is why she realizes your forgiveness of others doesn't mean much if you can't forgive yourself, too.
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YUuuup
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and The Doctor has a super hard time forgiving their self
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Im saying their self because Im including 13 whos female
E.S. Levi
It was a bit crowded at the time, but Aelienor knows enough about gun safety to want to make sure he understands just why he needs to get a handle on his impulsive behavior around them.
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Aelienor has been through a lot of trauma, poor coping methods, and realizing how awful her coping methods are in just the past two years, so she's...remarkably mature for not even being 30.
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awesome :>
E.S. Levi
(Biologically, she's 24. Chronologically 27, since her race is slightly longer lived than humans.)
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(About 8-10 years longer, on average.)
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gotya
E.S. Levi
And, hey! She's already used to dealing with ageless beings as equals!
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Just hurls her pen at the Doctor's head when he's being dumb.
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LOL
E.S. Levi
When she was in a forest, she'd throw pinecones at an ancient, immortal sorcerer of indescribable power whenever he was especially rude or condescending!
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LMAO
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