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: I've probably said it before, but one of the many things that makes me go when I watch Nuzlockers is them not leveling """weak""" pokemon.
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this guy I'm watching now would DOMINATE Sprout Tower if he only just leveled up his Hoothoot
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...isn't that missing the entire point of a Nuzlocke?
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what happens if all your "strong" pokemon faint and you're just left with level 1 scrublords
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also he's complaining that everything is high level and heating his four pokemon he is bothering to level when he would literally carve through the place if he leveled his goddamn bird
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and the game he's playing is a rom hack where it is N O T O R I O U S L Y DIFFICULT
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pokemon stats have been changed, all pokemon up to gen 4 are in, all gym leaders have a team of 6 pokemon, level up moves have changed, etc.
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it's extremely hard and he is going to be crushed the moment he reaches falkner, bet
MNK Zoomies
it's especially infuriating, I forget who it was, but their decision was to use their low levels as simply switch in fodder in pinches. Rather than know, try to make them decent. (It was mostly the beginner stuff like caterpie and rattata, but...still)
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Rattata is actually not a bad Pokรฉmon at all, neither is Raticate. And Butterfree OWNS in early game
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Itโ€™s ability means you are pretty much always hitting Stun Spore and Sleep Powder
Transient Anus
Man, Raticate is awesome if you put the work in to level it.
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Same with Bibarel. Theyโ€™re actually fairly decent
MNK Zoomies
Butterfree is an amazing early pokemon ;A;
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Obviously they fall off later in but theyโ€™re meant to carry you until that point and do a good job
Transient Anus
When I was playing as a kid I ended up with a Raticate that just dominated every fight and one shot basically everything. It was still holding its own late game.
MNK Zoomies
I'm not a huge fan of Raticate but they are okay I guess. But yeah I thought part of the appeal of Nuzlocke (and also randomizer) was using Pokemon you otherwise probably wouldn't
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Transient Anus : iirc RGB raticate broke the nets because crit % was based on Speed and it had one of the highest speed stats in the game so it just DEMOLISHED CITIES
Transient Anus
Makes sense.
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MNK Zoomies : it IS. And I forget if itโ€™s just from Gen7+ or in gen6, but if you donโ€™t let Caterpie evolve until level 9 into Metapod, it learns Bug Bite which is a strong bug type move it will get STAB on going into its evolutionary cycles
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honestly this is why I get so annoyed when a nuzlocker is like "oh [x] is trash tier--" like ok fam if you wanted to optimize you coulda played a different ruleset and also like 99% of the time you can make it work lmfao
MNK Zoomies
YEAH, I always try to get a Butterfree if I can |D. Confusion is so good for early coverage (or in the later versions where it gets that and gust), plus all the status effect options...
Transient Anus
I had a friend who scoffed at the idea of using rattata/raticate and I ended up having to tell her that that was one of the most powerful pokemon I'd ever used.

I'd regularly kick her ass in battles too.

I never bother optimizing: too much work.
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Also this is literally thee hole POINT of a Nuzlocke. To use the things you normally wouldnโ€™t.
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Thatโ€™s why itโ€™s FORCED. You canโ€™t just cartwheel through the game with the pseudo legends
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I feel like the only times I get super picky in nuzlockes is when all I've got are pokemon I've already used a ton
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MNK Zoomies : YUPPPPP. Butterfree is a monster early game. Confusion/Gust, All the status moves, and Compoundeyes to boost its accuracy so it actually HITS those status moves
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bc when I play nuzlockes like, a lot of the fun is using pokemon I otherwise wouldn't have ever used
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Transient Anus : honestly this. I donโ€™t either I just play my favs.
Transient Anus
I try to rotate stuff out and experiment.
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Me toooo. Sumo literally made it so you kind of had to cuz the totems were toooough as you progress and you need a good team comp
Transient Anus
I should note that I'm like, way behind on pokemon games because for a huge chunk of my life I could not afford new handhelds. Now that I sort of can I lack the focus and motivation to really catch up. At least, not quickly.

Yeah I could just hop in on the latest gen but I wanna experience everything I've missed.
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Thankfully there are emulators and roms
Transient Anus
Yep.
Transient Anus
Pokemon good.
CharAshu
Question, is the romhack the person you're watching a Kaizo or a Radical?
CharAshu
oh there's romhacks that do what you mentioned and one is Emerald kaizo and the other is Radical Red.
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Oh no, this one is Storm Silver. Iโ€™ve played a bit of it myself and it is VERY hard
CharAshu
Aaaah
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Not disgusting so, but for a Nuzlocke it is difficult
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