genuine question, now that I've actually tried him on the TDM and everything: would people be interested in Kreacher if I apped him? bc I am giving it Real Thought but I'm also on the fence about it and I don't wanna write an app if I'm the only person who actually has any interest.
on the one hand i still really like the idea of the feral trash man (and especially of playing a character who simply Would Not Care about the god stuff) but on the other hand if i app him i have to dive back into "remembering what happens in canon and possibly reading excerpts of the Worst HP Books" so like
also follow-up question: is... is it weird to play a character who's so closely connected to a character I already played in the same game? because i can't tell whether that's actually offputting or whether i'm just paranoid.
The House Elves stuff is, like, deeply unfortunate to me, and while I respect your desire to deconstruct it and fix it, I'm kinda worried about the optics of it, especially with all the attention Ryslig has been getting lately
I... have thought it through, quite a lot, but how I feel about it is something I go back and forth on depending on the day. which is another part of why I wanted to put out feelers, bc at this point I feel like I've been twisted up in that thought so long I can't tell where I am with it any more
I think a big thing to think about is purely....will worrying about this stuff while playing him make it more stressful and not fun for you, and limit you in what you feel you can do?
I'm not in Ryslig currently so take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt but having played a couple of characters who were essentially walking stacks of trigger warnings I think it can be done in public games but it is very limiting and even providing other players with ample opportunity to opt out of interacting with them -
You run the risk of stepping on toes a lot in ways that people did not see coming, and the whole literal slavery thing house elves have going on is a highkey upsetting issue for a lot of people
to be completely honest, while i trust your intentions and respect and empathize with wanting to engage with Problematic Canon, i personally do not want to think about or engage with any harry potter related content whatsoever at this time
because i know you, i don't think it reflects badly on you, nor is it causing any actual harm to others if you did choose to do it. it just makes me too irritated and angry due to all the extenuating circumstances outside of the canon itself
the only reason i'm chiming in is because you've solicited opinions - my personal beef should not dictate your choice to play whatever character you want to play and think you could have fun with
this is all very sound and seems like a pretty resounding consensus tbh
I'm not 100% confident in my ability to manage the topic effectively and also, tbqh, reading this and going back over my own thoughts on it... I feel like I am probably also overlooking how big ryslig is these days?
Yeah like. I know you, and I fully trust your ability to write a really good Kreacher and explore the situation he's in and the wider implications of it in a way that is at the very least completely in good faith, and I personally would be fine with it in the game because it takes a lot to get me riled up
Yeah like. Not to make this about me but there's a reason I don't play Castiel in big games anymore where I don't personally know everyone else's limits on the topic of canonical disrespectful handling of Abrahamic religions and that's a MUCH less loaded character than. Kreacher.
like a lot of my thoughts have rested on "this is the sort of game where I can safely explore Difficult Shit knowing that people know me well enough to know my intent and call me on my bullshit" but I'm... not sure that's the case any more. (if it ever was)
It might be safest to keep playing him in a setting where you actually know peoples' boundaries and they know yours as opposed to one of the larger games on DW right now
I think you and I are having the same growing pains with Ryslig, Jormy, because that's also how I used to think of it and now it's just way too large to trust that anymore
even if i don't personally see anything worth salvaging, that doesn't mean it wouldn't possibly be fun for you and obviously roleplaying a character is not in any way putting money into jk's terfy bigoted pockets
As someone who has also thought about rping hp characters: for me it's not about it being worth salvaging so much as it's worth melting down into its component parts and completely recasting into something that's as shitty as it always actually has been
but i would not be interested in tagging the character at all and since you asked i figured it was prudent to respond, since like. even if you have a great concept and can generally make your own fun, you do still need people to play off of
but yeah I think anybody who is playing HP characters at this point should be prepared to have people wholesale opt out of playing with those characters because.... yeah. dude yeah
honestly ink i understand and there are probably some characters i could even put aside my irritation for but being real i'm not doing it for the literal slavery character whose name is Kreacher
Yeah and I feel like it would be understandable for someone who does not know you our your intentions to be understandably super wary of, uh, all this, given DWRP as a whole's incredibly white understanding of racially loaded issues such as slavery so you would absolutely be running into that
Oh yes I wasn't saying you weren't totally right to want to just Not. HP as a whole is so tainted for people that someone could be rping the most milquetoast inoffensive character and if someone else opted out of them I'd be like yeah dude fair
and again: full confidence that you would do him well, jormy, but also i think you're aware of why that would be like. the bottom of the barrel option for many, you're smart and would go into this eyes open you don't need me to couch this in softer language
like i am coming from a place of being frankly astonished so many people have given me and my fucked up problematic antagonist girl from a shitty anime canon a chance
I think that's another cultural Ryslig shift because when I first apped one of the strongest selling points was 'you can play literally any character here if you're fun and interesting with them'
yeah i'll chime in too to say that while i 100% trust you and feel like you could Do It Right and sensitively and not begrudge people who would not like to engage, I do also worry that the current... space, is not safe for you to explore that in
Yeah, I think where I'm coming down on it currently is that. there's a world where this could work without causing undue harm/upset to either me or the other players.
And to be clear, this is the clarity I was hoping for when I made this plurk, and
~Lamiamon~
I'm really glad you brought it up explicitly because looking back at what I actually wrote, this is a great case of me not actually asking for what I wanted to know
and honestly thanks to everyone in this plurk for being honest with me, this has really just been one of those things where I've sat on it so long that I've started to lose track completely of the scale of things
ink and triska really covered it for me but i wanna echo that if you are v into playing him, longterm psls sound like a good way to go with the current state of things
and that's one of the things I always struggle to gauge, I guess, is how able people are to put bargepoles between themselves and objectionable content
but I guess when the objectionable content is The Whole Damn Character And Also Canon And Also Everything Around It that is. uh. that's not something opt-out posts can really cover.
ultimately, as I have said to QV privately: what it comes down to is that there's a lot I want to write and explore that might be worth writing, but only with a lot of consideration to who is likely to read it and how able they are to avoid it as needed. and that - that gauging of audience, I guess - is something I struggle with, so
I would like to see a storyline where Kreacher gets better and realizes his past was terrible but I think people have given you good advice when it comes to rp
as for kreacher i guess the real takeaway from all of this is if i want to write kreacher getting his due and recovering from the strata of trauma lumped on him at every stage of his life, it should definitely be in fic form
i wanna be Sure
I'm not 100% confident in my ability to manage the topic effectively and also, tbqh, reading this and going back over my own thoughts on it... I feel like I am probably also overlooking how big ryslig is these days?
and obviously roleplaying a character is not in any way putting money into jk's terfy bigoted pockets
incredibly whiteunderstanding of racially loaded issues such as slavery so you would absolutely be running into thatthis is pretty definitely not that world.
and i'm very glad i asked!
but I guess when the objectionable content is The Whole Damn Character And Also Canon And Also Everything Around It that is. uh. that's not something opt-out posts can really cover.