lily!
[MCU][Extremely Negative] i am being a curmudgeon here so i'm not a curmudgeon in someone else's plurk
lily!
honest to god if a fucking 10 episode miniseries is required to watch your movie you have fundamentally failed as an artist, i don't care about how good of a director you are
Niamh Vibes
Apparently there's stuff from Agents of Shield that are important to the plot too
Niamh Vibes
You know, the seven season show people weren't sure was canon for a decade
~Lamiamon~
Niamh Vibes : not really, all it does is use the same evil book that's a Marvel canon staple
~Lamiamon~
and I'm gonna be honest. after a certain point, it becomes impossible for an ongoing story to be entirely self contained. And the stuff that's essential to the plot can be inferred through context
~Lamiamon~
at some point, you gotta just decide to live and let live and tell the story anyway
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
yeah i love raimi as a director but i couldn't be less interested in this thing
Mega
I think some of it might've been outside his control
Mega
Marvel Studios wants this multiverse thing to be their next big draw, and wants the D+ shows to be important
Mega
still, I get the frustration
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
oh yeah like. i'm sure his fingerprints on this thing are visible but marvel movies aren't exactly auteur-led lmao
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
which makes it worse i think bc it's all just so assembly line
~Lamiamon~
I've actually seen the movie and that can't be further from the truth
~Lamiamon~
Raimi's signature is all over the movie
Mega
the movie has a lot of style, for sure
oh i'm scary
I'm sad they brought Raimi in and it was for Dr. Strange because I categorically will not watch anything where Benedict Cumberbatch is the main character
oh i'm scary
it's a hard sell if he appears at all
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
that doesn't change that this is pretty much a studio hired gun thing on his part, im sure he had genuine passion for the project but there's a really specific mold disney's unwilling to actually break
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
it's the same for waititi and coogler on ragnarok and black panther imo
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
and yeah between cumberbatch and wendy mayomoff i'm. Good.
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
no thanks
Mega
oh, what's the story behind cumberbatch? idk much about him as a person
Princess Emily
he was
Princess Emily
EXTREMELY bad in Sherlock, like in interviews and stuff
Mega
oh yikes
Mega
homophobic?
Princess Emily
he was very terrible about autistic people is what I remember
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
ableism is the big thing i remember
Mega
double yikes Dx
Mega
honestly, I don't care for what they did to Wanda in the film is all I will say w/o going into spoilers :c
Princess Emily
I don't actually remember if he was homophobic, but I know his costar was some (the Watson guy)
~Lamiamon~
I don't begrudge anyone checking out because of the actors involved, but I disagree with the idea that standalone stories can't hinge upon ongoing arcs
lily!
there's a difference between investing some of your time in watching a few movies that came before
lily!
and like
lily!
spending literally dozens of hours
lily!
catching up on, like, 20+ other movies to be fully Caught Up with the franchise but oh shit, there's a tv series too, and another one-
lily!
marvel movies have done the impossible and have recreated the exact barrier to entry that actual marvel comics have
Mega
I think you can have a good cinematic universe with multiple films, and MCU has some films I really enjoyed
Mega
but I think my issue is the MCU has gotten too big
lily!
a film with sequels is good. a film where you have to do homework to watch and understand it is bad.
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
i'm just sick to death of the whole endeavor and think it's kind of ruined film tbh
lily!
same
lily!
i think the sonic movies are good
Rama
I checked out around Civil War and have only sort of caught up on what Spider-Man's doing since
lily!
if they make another sonic movie after 3 with ANOTHER stinger then i will retroactively start to get very tired of them
lily!
i feel like marvel KNOWS that a lot of its fanbase is just starting to feel Done with it so it keeps on pulling out all the stops for nostalgia
Rama
Oh and I watched Black Panther obviously
lily!
the latest spiderman was an example of that
Mega
I think Sonic having a cinematic universe will be fine if it doesn't have a ton of spinoffs
Mega
like, keep it simple.
lily!
i know so many people who don't give a shit about the mcu who piled in to watch molina and defoe chew the scenery again
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
i'll be okay with it if the fourth one somehow manages to be called sonic cd
lily!
i also think bringing in sam raimi as a director specifically was also part of that
Mega
MCU's problem is while there's crossover appeal, not everyone is gonna like every character or every sub franchise
Mega
but there's this expectation to keep up with everything
Princess Emily
dang y'all ain't holding back on your opinions even talking to fans of the movies
Princess Emily
"it ruined films" is harsh as hell to say to somebody who enjoys them
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
the plurk's marked extremely negative
lily!
i very specifically made this plurk to vent about how much i do not like the mcu outside of your plurk because i didn't want to be a curmudgeon there and tagged it with Extremely Negative
Princess Emily
tru
Mega
Honestly, idk how to feel about the MCU anymore
Mega
I liked no way home
Mega
But it feels like it's just too much to follow these days
Mega
and it's kinda got a stranglehold on the film industry, for better or for worse (thinking)
ᴏᴡ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇᴅɢᴇ
I legitimately loved a lot of the MCU for a while, and No Way Home is the first film in more than a decade that I've seen in theaters more than once, but I agree that it's been Too Much for a while now.
連続犬
So I think the difference is that like
ᴏᴡ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇᴅɢᴇ
It was already overwhelming by the time it started closing in on Infinity War, but I think the inclusion of the TV shows in the greater continuity is what really pushed it over the edge for me.
連続犬
a lot of what the MCU does is equal parts trying to hype up the connections as Important and then also treating them as superficial
連続犬
because it's not... really about linking you into a broader world
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
it's just jangling keys tbh
連続犬
it's explicitly about Getting You To Consume More Product
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
the connections "matter" but it's mostly just to make audiences go YEAHHHHH I KNOW WHAT THAT IS
ᴏᴡ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇᴅɢᴇ
Yes, that's exactly it.
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
motherfucker we both went for the rlm shit
~Lamiamon~
I'm gonna be honest
連続犬
it's either to trigger nostalgia OR it's to provoke FOMO yeah
連続犬
YEAH
ᴏᴡ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇᴅɢᴇ
And like, the MCU was never art for the sake for art.
~Lamiamon~
I don't feel like anything I say here would be given a fair shake
~Lamiamon~
That's probably on me
~Lamiamon~
But I'm gonna have to step out
lily!
that's fair, ty. i marked this plurk to be Negative about the mcu specifically
lily!
連続犬 : and YEAH that's exactly it
lily!
and with morbius, even as part of another studio, flopping as badly as it did marvel is, like. no longer the Cultural Monolith it once was and has been on the decline since endgame i feel
lily!
so the only thing they can bank on is pure nostalgia
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
honestly the morbius flop being taken as a sign that people don't want vampire movies instead of "maybe making a movie starring jared leto as a fourth-string spider-man villain was a terrible idea" is
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
kind of jokerfying
DrugsJulius
lol Kraven the Hunter movie
Rama
clockworkbrain: I'm going to watch Renfield 3 times just to prove that sentiment wrong.
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
you're doing your part. proud of you
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
one of our bravest soldiers
Princess Emily
I do feel like Marvel is on a decline but idk if it's a genuine decline or just
they haven't really done a lot of bigger-draw stuff since Covid
Princess Emily
Dr. Strange 2 might be the litmus test there
Princess Emily
"How can we show fans that we're still going to release a lot of great stuff even with Endgame over"
"idk how about an Eternals movie? or maybe a movie starring somebody who very prominently died in Endgame?"
lily!
nods, that makes sense on some level
CERTAINTY
i like some of the mcu but yes i think the way disney has approached it as a business is deeply disingenious and greedy, and they've created a chokehold on the whole film industry at this point. so even though some aspects of it and some specific movies & shows are genuinely very good imo, i would say the standard that it sets kind of is ruining film yeah.
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
yeah, yes
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
and so much of it being tied up with like, the studio vertically integrating via d+ (and other studios following suit) is... not helping
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
bc essentially the old studio system is coming back into play
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
the point of saying that isn't "the movies are bad" it's. their wider impact on the industry and medium?
CERTAINTY
yeah
CERTAINTY
and i think a corporate giant owned by a company that has a habit of buying out or crushing all its competition is... hard to really call a net positive on cinema as a whole
CERTAINTY
it's not entirely disneys fault that standalone films are becoming more and more rare in favour of people trying to build a franchise but i would say it's a pretty massive factor
Rama
The MCU is not damaging film as a medium so much as Disney's monopolistic practices are damaging film as a medium, and the MCU's just the numerically biggest and most successful example of how that's happening
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
i don't think there's any meaningfully separating the two tbh
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
like yeah it's part of a wider thing but
103 FOOLS
hot take: superhero movies should have little popups with citations for those who want to look up the context, like how they do in comic books
Okapi
Lmao I've not watched it cause there's so much
Okapi
It feels like a cash grab too tbh
𝕁υѕт мєℓσ∂ιє
I think the MCU should have ended with Endgame. It still was long but it felt like they'd completed the cinematic universe
𝕁υѕт мєℓσ∂ιє
Ever since then, they're drawing it out
CERTAINTY
yep
i stay silly :3
it's not great
𝕁υѕт мєℓσ∂ιє
I remember when a few famous directors were saying Marvel was killing movies and we all brushed it off as salt
𝕁υѕт мєℓσ∂ιє
How foolish we were
𝖊𝖓𝖘𝖍𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖉𝖊𝖉.
yeah i was definitely kind of on scorsese and co's side from the jump with that
🎲𝙇𝙞𝙖𝙧🤡
i only like the mcu these days for rock and roll times in space and then i'm rolling out
nothing else emotionally impacts me but that
i don't hate the mcu though. it's just 'okay' to me. all opinions are valid tho
🎲𝙇𝙞𝙖𝙧🤡
even then i have very vivid memories of avengers sites turning their noses up at guardians fans going 'out of here with your MCU COSMIC', blegh
i stay silly :3
they've been milking this thing since what, 2007? keeping a film series going for 2 decades is like... wild.
i stay silly :3
wait no
i stay silly :3
am i going crazy i thought iron man came out that year
i stay silly :3
no 2008.
i stay silly :3
so yeah we're closing in on 20 fuckin years of the MCU
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