today on Cecil seeming like a bad guy from the outside perspective
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today on Cecil seeming like a bad guy from the outside perspective
today on Cecil seeming like a bad guy from the outside perspective
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the events in the dwarf castle
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- Meet with the king
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- King says the crystal is in the chamber in the castle
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- Yang senses that someone is spying on them
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- King lets them into the crystal room
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- Door closes behind them
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- Boss fight against Calcabrena
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- Boss fight against Golbez
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- Rydia returns heroically
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- Golbez defeated
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- Golbez's hand detaches, grabs the crystal, and vanishes
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- Cecil emerges and tells story
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the events from the perspective of the dwarf king:
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- A human says his crystal is in danger
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- The humans say there's some spooky shit in the crystal room
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- He lets them in to the crystal room
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- The door closes
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- Time passes
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- The door opens
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- Human: "Aw geez, that Golbez got your crystal somehow"
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Humans leave
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crystal gone
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Cecil stole that thing
BERSERKER
geez
BERSERKER
FF4 really is a game that tries to sell you on the Omniscient Player Perspective being the only viewpoint that matters, how many crystals is it that Cecil has "stolen" now, i feel like the answer is somewhere between "most" and "all"
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at least two
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no three
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
honestly, given his whole Dark Knight thing
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
even if he's not one anymore
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the mysidia crystal, the earth crystal, the dark earth crystal
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
he probably still... definitely seems even more suspicious like.
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
"yes the former leader of baron's military who was a dark knight in all black says a magic mountain said he's not evil anymore"
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
"definitely legit"
BERSERKER
earth is fabul's, yeah?
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earth is dark elf
AzureChrysanthemum
The game generally makes a pretty big deal about how as a Paladin he emanates goodness
BERSERKER
ah
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the one that he 'borrows' and then goes into the sky to hand directly to golbez
AzureChrysanthemum
Fabul had Yang as a witness at the very least
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it does yeah
BERSERKER
fabul's kind of got it too but at least as Chrys stated the actual king witnessed what went down
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Cecil practically glows as a paladin
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It doesn't help that Golbez's hand moves so slowly. I mean, it's all very dramatic, but... surely Cecil or Rosa have learned Stop by now?
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Cecil has learned Walk Over And Step On It
BERSERKER
I mean, it'd make more sense if they didn't see it, but we have the "I HID AS THIS TINY SPLINTER" issue
BERSERKER
where you gotta make the sprite huge to be recognizable to the player
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Or Walk Over And Step On It!
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Something
BERSERKER
...also a gauntlet is a lot bigger than a splinter just by, like, nature, so it's also less believable even at face value. hm
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Like you could handwave it (ha) with Golbez's Super Temporary Paralysis Powers or something, but you need to show that, and not just have everybody standing around staring at the gauntlet
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I forget how ff4ds handled it
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Judging by the video I found of the PC port of IVDS, they leave his body slumped in front of the crystal while they have their reunion with Rydia and then start to leave, at which point Golbez revives, grabs it, and portals out
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Which makes a little more sense in that it's fast, but also his apparent corpse is still there between them and the crystal
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But then I don't think Cecil and co.'s collective intelligence is all that high
AzureChrysanthemum
Rydia's probably the smartest followed by Rosa
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Yeah, agreed
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Cid has his moments, but also... is Cid
AzureChrysanthemum
IV Cid has a lot of dumb drunk uncle energy
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Yes
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Brilliant engineer, apparently, but... yes
AzureChrysanthemum
tbh I've known several engineers, they can be absolutely brilliant and the stupidest goddamn people simultaneously
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>>
AzureChrysanthemum
"Can put rocket on Mars, cannot operate printer"
skerple
to be fair, printers are malevolent creatures from outside of time and space
dragon time
Genova was a printe
AzureChrysanthemum
Also true