look, tier 3 with the fog is tough, it's costing atem all his human connections, he probably can't play cards at the 38 without causing a fuss, and I'm betting he'll lose his job with Cassandra, too
Thankfully he's so Big Picture Brain that it makes sense for him to at least share this at Frunch in a state of RAEG and then get talked down and realize it's dumb
alternatively, you could just have him go fucking rogue. quit the casino, quit the lighthouse (so that no one he loves will get hurt from his actions) and just go nuts. it feels pretty five-y.
nod nod! if you wanna have atem talk him down about it after he hits his own tier 3, atem would be able to make that argument, he's positive now tier 3 polarizes and fucks with your reputation
pretty much every high-tier fog follower has sacrificed a lot to get there. Javert lost 80% of his friends, got fired by Juno Steel, and had most of his staff quit en masse.
it's ic consequences for, like, the kind of gesture it takes to impress the fog. the way i understand it, tier 2 is "a good follower," but tiers 3 and up are "god you're really gunning for this promotion aren't you"
Something would have to make him severely pissed and hurt him a LOT for him to willingly throw away that much, so I'm VERY glad the mods let me know what I would have been in for!
oh. so this is like hardcore D&D paladin rules where "as soon as you do anything outside of your strict religious mandates you explicitly dedicated yourself to, you lose your pally powers"
that's what I figure, too -- like, if someone who's very much a public face of the lighthouse goes to bomb part of a city, and families who live there die, it's going to look like the lighthouse is fine with that
it would also make humans in bavan more wary of him imo, which would make the casino business tank. Unless it's propped up entirely by the monster population already
Yeah, this is exactly why Lust has remained tier 2 for so long, despite being so devout and dedicated to the Fog. She refuses to do violence in the name in the Fog, and above tier two....very, very hard to do something Really Big to qualify. But...also using Lust as an example, it's not hard to have IC influence and clout, even at a lower tier!
the discussion was making think that there was an implied mandatory cutting of other ties in order to be truly aligned with the gods but in reality it's just the fallout of specific methodology to get there
the higher you go & the more active your character is with it the more you just gotta expect other characters and npcs to go in not trusting or liking yours
yeah like his tier two was a murder but he was killing monsterfied humans which presumably had better optics than people who were minding their own business
his tier three was completely nonviolent and mostly just annoying for everyone but people were way more mad because it fucked up most of bavan and cut off fourth followers from the arcade entirely
yeah I just had to make sure because if it was like a requirement to break up with non-fog-specific things it would kind of render larry's aggressively peaceful initiatives pretty pointless
but yeah feel free to come up with alternative ideas that wont ruin your plans, we just wanted to outline the consequences for this particular method since it IS so destructive
You guys are all so super supportive and patient and tolerant of my ridiculous rambling, I swear sometimes I put my foot down a little too hard on the gas when I get an idea JUST because my brain goes "WOW HEY AN IDEA"
but yeah!! I was looking forward to Ray getting involved in something, so I'm up for looking for ways to rework it so that he doesn't get flack, they all just Benefit (somehow)
And I think that would click for Horatio, like ":this is why She didn't want them here, they Know Things... but if they try to tell people and can't prove it's true .... "
but I, as a mun, don't want to ruin ALL of it because that's no fun for the rest of the players and the mods who uh, put a ton of work into everything, soooo, moderation
"they say they want to make ryslig better for everyone. humans and monsters. that's compatible with the lighthouse's stated mission. someone - not me - should go in and strike up a professional relationship"
ahem here to confirm that there are indeed quiet ways to get those tier ups- its just tricky to parse out. obviously for stage three the easiest is indeed to take down a theoretically problematic opposing side monster in her name, but for example, Reiras priest up was a heist on the fog herself
now, obviously now-a-days there's less wiggle room there...
information and subtle sabotage, could well still mark someone up the ranks- even if not personally caught, to say something is in the fogs name still strikes fear
when you start from a base of fear and remember that fear of the unknown is there, fog is always watching, and lastly that...sometimes the Threat of something is terror enough...more windows open I think :0
Yeeee And like, again, Priest stuff does generally involve a large scale incident, something event worthy... But those don't have to be tracked back to the characters ICly
personally i just think its funnier to subject ash to problems but also he's a bit of an outlier since, um, the last time someone became a tier 3 fourthie was 5 years ago. so it's harder to gauge with fourth followers specifically
i will say it's probably easier to disguise fourth things because his methods are all about subterfuge and control of information, while the fog's own goals are more like 'WHO CARES ABOUT CONSEQUENCES DO WHAT YOU WANT'
five's a good lad
but in reality it's just the fallout of specific methodology to get there
expressly going in with the intention of destroying most of a settlement: woah there
fog is classified as keterdjlkasjkglfdhait will not helpjhere to confirm that there are indeed quiet ways to get those tier ups- its just tricky to parse out. obviously for stage three the easiest is indeed to take down a theoretically problematic opposing side monster in her name, but for example, Reiras priest up was a heist on the fog herself
now, obviously now-a-days there's less wiggle room there...
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And like, again, Priest stuff does generally involve a large scale incident, something event worthy...
But those don't have to be tracked back to the characters ICly