also, 'problematic' is in the eye of the beholder - there are absolutely people who try to "minor-code" aster and garu, but they're called out for being idiots
of course, you also have people saying shit like how eiden "manipulated" Poor Sweet Naive yakumo into having sex, and I'm just like..... so being persuasive to someone already interested in you is manipulation, interesting
like, we can talk about how some part of the attraction to eiden is because Protag Magic Gimmick Bullshit, but there's also part of the attraction that's genuine - like I'm pretty sure Yakumo already liked Eiden just for being their for him during their initial meeting against the knights
(for those who never played food fantasy - peking duck's master was unjustly murdered by a cult that corrupted an entire country, so he went undercover into the cult/government and basically destroyed that same. entire country.)
yeah yeah. and despite eiden saying edmond's under a curse, i'm pretty sure they both know that's not true any more, but edmond just goes along with it
anyway people will always wrangle something problematic out of it if they want to but yeah I think most of it is just adults accepting they're trash together lol
this person qrting really nails what's funny about this, tbh: does this anon think..problematic ships are only when it involves incest/illegal age gaps
LIKE YEAH IT'S STILL DUBCON, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH THAT, BECAUSE EIDEN HAS NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON AND TWO IDIOTS JUMP INTO SEX IMMEDIATELY WITHOUT EXPLAINING
It's like someone going to a fucking diner and having a meltdown because they're lactose intolerant and the diner serves CHEESEBURGERS there, cheese HARMS people like me how DARE you have it on your menu
yeah, and it's not like there aren't plenty of nonkink options in games, unlike trying to find restaurants that are lactose intolerant or celiac friendly
yeah! it's not just brute forcing through enemies! i'm so glad they've certain mechanics to the enemies too and you need to occasional (some battles) strategise
He's both more sympathetic and kind than he necessarily needed to be, and more fun - he's got way more personality than most otome protags I've seen, which is the closest comparison to the character type I can think of
hiroc
: Yeah, that's valid, it's just that most games even remotely close to this that I've played have been otomes so that's my primary frame of reference
I'm mostly thinking of an overarching genre of protag when it comes to "all the hot sexy dudes I meet are in love with me, oh my goodness what do I do" and what kinds of characters get explored with that setup, if that makes sense?
So I totally get what you're getting at, and I should've made it clearer I wasn't equating them so much as comparing Eiden to the most similar character type I'm familiar with personally
i don't think "no problematic ships" is a part of it, anon
edmond: no how dare you
does this anon think..problematic ships are only when it involves incest/illegal age gapsMan problematic just gets tossed around so much now it just has lost meaning to me
We don't talk about OncelerShip as old as song
Eiden: Sorry daddy I've been naughty