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Reuters is reporting lines from Ukraine's negotiator this afternoon, who is quoted as saying they believe there could be "results" from their talks with Russia in the coming days.
BENBEND🐉
所以央視的報導是真的耶…
ncyc
BENBEND🐉 : 我自己是沒抱太期望
ncyc
Ukraine-Russia talks have made 'substantial progress' and agreement between two sides may be possible 'soon'
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A Russian delegate has offered fresh hope of a breakthrough in talks with Ukraine, saying there has been significant developments and that the two sides may be able to reach a joint position "soon".
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RIA news agency quoted Leonid Slutsky as comparing the state of the talks now with the situation when they first started, and saying there was "substantial progress".
Jeux d'eau
唉,俄羅斯這樣跟認輸沒兩樣了
roxinnccu
目前還是基輔方自己的說法而已呀
ncyc
roxinnccu : 有俄方的說法
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Leonid Slutsky
roxinnccu
不是,我是說央視提到的那些條件。
ncyc
我"猜"不會到停戰的程度,可能是敲定人到走廊之類的項目
Russian delegation member: There is “significant pro...
ncyc
roxinnccu : 那倒是真的
yusaku
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Mykhailo Podolyak : "We will not concede in principle on any positions," he said in a video posted online.

"Russia now understands this. Russia is already beginning to talk constructively. I think that we will achieve some results literally in a matter of days."
roxinnccu
我倒是相信俄軍會尋求在這個時點談判,現在各戰線,其實都進入一種你沒辦法我我也只能小踹你兩腳的狀況,俄軍兵力延伸到極限,基輔軍無法機動也只能死守在陣地裡做不了大事,基輔軍各種嘴炮但有一樣事情是沒做錯的,不管基於什麼原因,或者事實上不能,或者基於美方的情報,總之他們沒有學趙括出陣地,我提過幾次,以烏軍八年備戰的方式,一出陣地轉入機動,絕對變成趙括。
roxinnccu
當下局勢就跟韓戰打完第一年之後的狀況差不多,本來俄軍顯然想對基輔兩線施壓,但西邊繞圈東邊抽兵力300公里遠征打了一個禮拜,四個象限也只有北部兩個象限算是有控制住,始終打不進基輔東南跟西南,就在兩側的公路節點上你叉我我叉你.....1951年7月美軍反攻到金化時狀況也差不多,美軍的兵力其實也沒有辦法再往北延伸了,儘管對面的中共軍其實也只能在陣地裡死守。

韓戰停火的談判可不是1953年才忽然開始談的,史達林死了是催化劑沒錯,但其實1951年兩邊打到一個平衡點以後就開始互相摸來摸去打打停停了。
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