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Gargoyles this show was so ahead of its time
Dragoon
It really was. It was my favorite Disney cartoon as a kid.
Imp
Been watching Batman the animated series, and it too, 1993, man...
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yeees that too
Imp
I took for granted how good it was as a kid. I got crabby when robin wasn't in it.
Imp
It was also just a little too...demanding for my young mind back then.
Imp
It is sophisticated as heck
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oh it was dark
Dragoon
I think Gargoyles was Disney's answer to Batman the animated series now that I think about it.
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Agree with that
Imp
No it litterally was
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and the music for Batman Animated is amazing
Dragoon
It really was!
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hint its the guy who went to work on the animaniacs catchy songs like Nations of the world
Imp
Ironic that Batman started on Fox, migrated to WB, but the reason it became the Batman and robin adventures was because of censors
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also I love how gritty they both are
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Im - eh with the smoothness now-a-days depending on the cartoon
Imp
Or the straight up Homogeny...
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that too
Imp
there have been some very.... questionable decisions made lately.
Like I don't want to bring up high guardian spice, but I'm bringing up High guardian spice.
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but like the new Ducktales is a lovely mesh of computer animated
Imp
They wrote the show on the seat of their pants.
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I mean I'm kind of a pantser writer myself, but maybe if the HGS had been a long running series beforehand.
Imp
When you get to the point where animation has pngs in it...
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that is trying to be anime
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and thats whole another can of worms
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It wasn't even the fact it was trying to be anime, like, Avatar did it well.
Imp
We have examples of Fusion of styles we can point to and say "That's quality media."
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yes and Korra
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Korra kind of had that problem of not being thought through well enough.
Imp
I liked it but it had it's flaws.
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well the thing with anime styles
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is that there are more styles than Western styles
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you have your Dragon Ball Z to your Hello Kitty
Imp
I have no issue with style, the style doesn't really matter as long as it's good.
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and everything in-beteween
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ah sorry I thought you were talking about how HGS looked like
Imp
High guardian spice's story, the style/aesthetic, and tone didn't mix
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I havent seen it so I can't comment if its good or bad to watch
Imp
It's not worth it.
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I havent seen it so I dont like to give my input if I havent seen something
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I cant base on how it looks
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I have learned to not judge shows by what they look like
Imp
I sort of disagree, mostly agree, but also disagree.
Imp
Because if you don't like the way it looks, you don't have to watch it.
Imp
I'm generally open to letting something warm up to me, and most things I don't have an issue with. But remember Totally spies? Blech.
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I mean I have missed out on stuff that I did end up enjoy watching because at first I didnt like it
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for instance; Phineas and Ferb
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I didnt like how Phineas and Ferb were shaped
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but after how my plurk timeline kept talking about it
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I gave it a shot and I ended up loving it
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and then I saw it was done by those who did Rockos Morden Life and Teenage Robot
Imp
A show like that doesn't really bother me because the animation is fluid, it uses shape language efficiently. It's just a straight up cartoon.
Imp
Makes sense to me!
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yeah but I judged it by the fact I didnt like that Phineas head is a triangle and thus decided to not watch it
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till my plurk timeline convinced me otherwise
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XD
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and going back to Korra
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Avatar The Last Airbender was speculator
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and Korra was in the same style and - so many flaws
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but none the animators its on the network
Imp
What bugs me more is stiff animation and... I guess adoption of tropes from anime and stuff they really dont understand.
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those first two seasons were painful but the last two were lovely
Imp
like the Anime Guffas on Teen titans never really hit me well.
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and thats fair
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theres also a lot of people who like that look on them
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but people our age also arent the target audiecne for those teen titans
Imp
I liked the general style for the show but the chibi ting they did sometimes
Imp
I'm talking about the 2005 series
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ah my bad I thought you meant the Chibis
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the 2005 style that is probably inspired from Batman Beyond
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which was HUGE
Imp
No it was inspired by anime.
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ah they look sort of Beyondish to me
Imp
It had nothing to do with the bruce timm, Paul Dini series.
Imp
It probably could have been
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and the Ninja Tutles did that style
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which I didnt like them on
Imp
Legion of Superheroes sort of took the Bruce timm aesthetic and merged it with 2005 teen titans.
Imp
You talking about the only good show 4kids ever made?
Imp
2004 Turtles?
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yes
Imp
It was pretty good
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I get why because the other thing was popular so lets make everything like that thing
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><
Imp
Weird that Shredder was an alien, but it was pretty good
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Shedder is whatever we need him to be at this point
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and Im sort of surpised that Kevin didnt make Shedder part alien in the orignal comics
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American action shows have a certain aesthetic and it kind of was derived from the early DC stuff I think
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But - he also killed Shedder at the end of the first one
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because they didnt plan on making more
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so - Shedder is whatever we need him to be since the super orignal comics he's dead at the end of comic 1
Imp
At the end of 1?
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I saw Kevin at a C2E2 Turtle panel one time and he explained how they didn't have a long term plan
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Yes
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wow
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Lol
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because they were just joking around and it was very hard to make a full comic when you're working at lobser resturnat
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they printed the first comics themselves
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So I had a chat on twiter with a guy who had only seen the 2012 series and his theory was that donny was purple because of his
Imp
love for april
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techincally in the oringal comics
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they dont have colors
Imp
And I was like... Bruh you know the franchise was 30 years old...
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that was for the 1980s cartoon
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so the kids could tell them apart
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and darn it I cant remember off the top of my hat
Imp
True but they didn't have distinct personalities either.
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but they did explain from the executives why the colors
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its on Netflix on The Toys that Made us
Imp
I need to watch that.
Imp
The core characters for my hero team represent the Mythic 4, just like the turtles.
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but yeah the colors were added for the first cartoon for the kids
Imp
The colors don't exactly match up though.
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oh yeah I actually watched all 23 discs
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and there were times there were mistakes
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like Leo would be talking but he was orange and not blue
Imp
Hahha, whoops.
Imp
Gnarly.
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so even on the final cut; on some frames they didnt catch themselves
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XD
Leanne No
Oh man Gargoyles.... That show
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anyways back to Shedder; given his relationship with Kang
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I can see Shedder being an alien or being turned into one
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the whole backstory with Splinter was made up for the cartoon actually
Imp
And then migrated to the movie, but he was a rat first instead of a human first.
Prickly Android
I love gargoyles!
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mmmm
Prickly Android
Demona was my favorite.
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:3 she is awesome
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I love how she has such strength being a you know what
I R SOPHIESMITH
OMG GARGOYLES! OMG DEMONAAAAA!!! OMG PUUUCCCKKK!!! OMG THE WHOLE THIIINNNGGGG
I R SOPHIESMITH
that is all :3
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Prickly Android
I still have my Demona action figure and my friend got me a Demona pop figure. She was so strong.
Leanne No
She was such a good well created villainess.
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yyyyyeeeeees
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very not Disney in a way for that time period
Leanne No
Yes
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there's class to her
Prickly Android
No, not very Disney thing. And Puck was awesome too!
Prickly Android
Make me want to throw it on Disney+, damn you. 😺
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do the thing!
Prickly Android
I would but it'll have to wait until little one is in bed!!! She talks too much. Demona was very well fleshed out. Whenever my friends and I played, I always called dibs on her.
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XD
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all the Gargoyles really were; the humans felt flat
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As for Turtles, since I saw that in the chatting. I've always loved Raphael.
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soft on the inside ^~
Prickly Android
Yeah, I agree. The humans could have used more to them.
Imp
Whoa.
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You didn't like Xanatos?
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Or the fact that the stonefaced assistant guy was actually puck playing a part for lulz?
Imp
or Elisa?
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one of the few humans that is fleshed out
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most of the humans felt bland
Imp
even macbeth?
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cause most of the other humans were either villains or side characters
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from what I remember MacBeth was okay
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my general remembering of the show is that the humans didnt feel as real as the creatures
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but that said Im rewatching it now and remembering just how good this still is
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that and Mighty Max
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That was way better than I remembered it ^
Mis
Mighty Max! I really liked that, when it was on. It's one of those shows that I'm sure no one but me remembers though.
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I remember it! and have one of the toys in storage
Mis
Norman was the best.
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I remember liking it but I dont think I saw all of it
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and having watched both seasons in order
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IT was a lot better than just whatever I saw
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and also Pauls in it XD
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no wonder I was drawn to it in the first place
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I have a big weakness for Paul's voice acting
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Ive found out he's done so many niche voice rolls that I didnt know it was him as a kid
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Like Mighty Max in a hanna barbera cartoon I watched
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yes, Yakko is my fave XD
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but yeah when I watched Mighty Max; I was like - I never saw all of this
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and it amazed me how ahead of its time it was
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with storytelling and characters
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but got ya; Mighty Max is such a niche cartoon and it was a short run
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so it feels like a fever dream
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Like - how Adventures of T-Rex
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now that feels like a fever dream to me
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those were T-Rexs that were secert agents and their gear was robo suits
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https://images.plurk.com/2awhx9SuAmvGlF5kBP6iSA.png
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and then they become
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https://images.plurk.com/5NEmvTMDC6eIrscEqGmkYt.png
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Mis but yeah what I saw of Mighty Max as a kid I loved and have one of the toys still
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and having gone back and watched all of it; wow just wow
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so much better than I recalled
Imp
Okay, but i'm gonna up the ante here.
Mis
Yeah, and that's especially amazing considering that the show was made based on the toys.
Imp
Have you ever had a nostalgic memory, but your memory a was superior to the actual media you remember?
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I mean if I went back and rewatched Eek The Cat I would probably say yes
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I just found one of my lost medias which was a CBS storybreak called the double disapearance of walter fozbek and I SWear up and down the version I watched was better than the one from 1985
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google says theres a 1956 version
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so maybe it was that one?
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or not; nevermind
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I didnt see that though ever
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I googled because I was wondering if there was an earlier version
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the book is from 1956
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thats actually one of the few dinosuars things I didnt see
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but I havent rewatched anything yet and gone that wasnt a good as I remember
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it was either at the same par or better
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but they also had more adult jokes in older cartoons too
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so hence why I still enjoy Tiny Toons and such
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even the 23 discs of the ninja turtles from the 80s/90s
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I never saw all of it
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because its 23 seasons ><
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but it starts out so good
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the first 5 from the 1988
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Manx mouse I also remember as being better than it is. I remember a scene in live action which is really weird so I wonder if i watch the ralph the motorcycle mouse i might find this memory that corresponds
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It was not what I expected from a company trying to sell toys
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and - its a hit or miss for the rest of it
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I think it was season 20ish that they went in a Batman direction
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with story and design
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Maybe!
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but I do enjoy the moments with OMG I remember this epsiode :-D
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my marketing classes have ruined how baiscally almost all of 80s and 90s cartoons were made to sell stuff
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there are expections but for the most part
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Mis did you watch Earthworm Jim?
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going back to fever dream cartoons
Mis
Yes! I really liked Earthworm Jim, it usually came on after X-Men, I think it was? It was later in the morning where they put the weird cartoons.
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Ooooooooooh ohhhhhhh X-Men
Mis
I remember SuperDave had a show, too.
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and yes I enjoyed Jim a lot too
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Did you play the games?
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Which were just as bizzare
Mis
I played the games a little, yes. Enough to know where all the weird came from. :-)
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I actually did beat EJ2 on the Super Nes and that ending
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I remember that so well having beat the game and getting that ending
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LMAO
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and yeah back in those days
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Video games were very hard and didnt help you win
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now Pokemon gives me those rare full revives before the Elite Four
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:|
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which one of the students I spoke too; they're just playing Pokemon Blue
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and they were shocked to hear they have to find Full Revies
Mis
Yep, the good old days of throwing your controller at the wall because GEEZ.
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LOL yes
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and if you didnt have a video game friend to call on your landline
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you called Nintendo Power
Mis
Though to be fair, I was mostly into RPGs. Which could be intense and difficult, don't get me wrong, but at least they weren't requiring coordination like action games.
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what is Youtube?
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thats fair
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also thank you everyone for indulging me with cartoon nostalgia
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Mis
It's my nostalgia too, and I feel less old to know someone else remembers too. :-P
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well like Ive mentioned before; no one usually pokes these plurks unless they're about Who
Mis
I can be very hit or miss when I'm on Plurk, sometimes if I'm tired I will MAAR a lot, but if something does catch my eye I usually comment!
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fair <3
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