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So having played Bloodborne and (2/3rds of) Dark Souls I wanna talk about the design philosophy of these games with people who heard about it and thought it sounded pretentious and miserable
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Because I know that my impression of the FromSoftware Soulslike games before I started playing was that they’re long and grueling and miserable and full of unfair traps and ambushes so that you can have bragging rights if you manage to finish the game
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This is...partially true?
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They are very long and hard games
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Parts of them are even grueling
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But I would not describe them as hard for the sake of being hard
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Dark Souls wants you to suffer before you win, but it DOES want you to eventually win
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The way the game plays out is that you WILL die a lot
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But
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You don’t really lose much when you die
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So sometimes yes you’ll get blindsided by a trap or an ambush and die
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But then, like
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You know about it
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So next time you’ll be able to deal with it
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The game is FULL of tiny little victories
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As you constantly push forward a little bit at a time
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honestly I'm not sure any of the traps in sen's really fatally blindsided you
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And make little bits of hard progress that can’t be taken from you
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You died but you got a new sword
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it rewards tenacity
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You died but you figured out how to beat a new kind of guy
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You died but you’ll be able to dodge that trap next time
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Most of your defeats are accompanied by you thinking “okay that hurt but I can get it next time”
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“I know what I did wrong”
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They’re definitely games that aren’t for everyone
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Except for Ornstein and Smough
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Fuck those guys
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that's no way to talk about a lady
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This is also core to the themes of the game
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Giving up and rage quitting is what it means to Go Hollow
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as somone who doesn't play soulsborne for reasons utterly unrelated to the gameplay, it's always seemed to me like the core of it is 'presenting you with a difficult puzzle but also the tools to solve it'
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it's still fuckoff hard, but it appears designed to be less about the difficulty itself and more 'how to deal with that'
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that's correct yeah
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sage nod
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a lot of the big dark souls setpiece bosses are a puzzle
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(i have a crippling fear of spiders else i'd at least play bloodborne)
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because invariably when you run into a boss that's legitimately difficult
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your response is to go
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"okay, how do i deal with THIS attack"
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"THIS is what keeps killing me"
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this is part of why sekiro didn't work for me
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"how do I solve that"
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i think the 'teaching you how to use an important tool that will help us later' thing i like the most is literally just, like, asylum demon
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because 'what did I do wrong' is always 'you didn't fight good enough, fight better'
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'you are up here. he is down there. you have a sword and legs what jump.'
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Sekiro is definitely a much narrower niche of tools and is a bit more brutal as a result
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I like it but pretty much if you aren't here for the main gameplay loop of "parry then counter" you are going to have a MISERABLE time
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it bothers me so much that the tagline for Sekiro was "kill ingeniously"
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when it is, objectively
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out of the Fromsoft Souls-Adjacent Games
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the game to which it least applies
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fromsoft's games have had, shall we say
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a recurring theme of missing the mark in terms of marketing
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you have one way to kill things and a handful of extremely limited-use ways to make it marginally easier
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and anyway yeah the core gameplay is incredibly satisfying when you do it right but I've never played a game that more badly needed to be easier
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Anyway I cannot express how excited I am for Elden Ring
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Just for the experience of playing one of these games when it’s new
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I’ll be right in there with everyone else!
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We’ll figure this shit out TOGETHER
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hell yeah
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