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semi- relevant but also just bebop vibing] sometimes one of my favorite things about this game is characters who come in thinking They are bad and are faced immediately with either Worse People or Worse Situations
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just, imagine thinking you're a big villain and you come in to this game and meet someone who is into genocide or human torture
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it's so funny NGL
rapid attitude adjustment
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just like "oh maybe i do not have it so bad. i apologize"
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me and tey have been talking about Vicious doing just that, just. thinking he is so Big and Bad and then very quickly realizing he is but a wee pussy baby compared to these fuckers
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vicious meets one of the local villains and goes ah,
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https://imgs.plurk.com/QzS/ha1/dU05lWapLRFFcuETOSM6Q47DbaM_lg.png "is that right"
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this has been my riley experience except she has internalized too much shit so ONE DAY it will be riley
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the stunning realization that it could, in fact, always be worse
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at least you're not aunamee
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LMAO YEAH
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mukuro is both sides of this scale to different people
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like hey whatever you did at home it's NOT worse than what I did
but also here, I have chosen not to embrace the wild side and become a serial killer, so like.
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mukuro is also a really interesting spot on the list to me. gabe too, from what i know of him

because like
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as said, the realization that you can't be worse then the people in rys who definitely did A Worse, paired with the other realization that the teenager who kicked off the apocalypse or a dude who flays people for fun still have friends
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and sometimes, you befriend the dude who tried to cause the apocalypse in your world, who is your cosmic opposition
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yes!
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in canon: chaos incarnate. vicious. manipulative. biggest danger
in ryslig: he birdie
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Gabe skins people but can has friends and a boyfriend here, two things he did Not have at home. it's wild
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and ride or die
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ryslig teaching characters from across the morality spectrum that you can exist in the grey spaces between extremes is important
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g o d
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the other thing about them is that they are so MUNDANE comparatively, Spike and Vicious, I bet Riley can also relate to that
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all these other people are so Magical
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YEAH HOW DO YOU FALL ON THE SCALE WHEN YOU WOULD BE A BAD PERSON IN YOUR OWN WORLD/SOCIETY BUT NOT TO OTHER PEOPLE
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but yes exactly... and spike at his own canon point will be like, so riddled with Guilt, and IS riddled with guilt
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bc he's KILLED A CHILD and RUINED SO MANY LIVES FOR THE SAKE OF ONE GIRL, INCLUDING THE LIFE OF HIS LIFELONG BFF
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and everyone else is probably gonna be like
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yeah but you literally hated killing said child and carry that weight every day you clearly didn't wanna do that, you clearly didn't want to be a hitman, shut up and do better now
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and he'll eventually be like shit you're right how could i forget. i forgot because i got triple dumped, my b
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does it make you a good person? does it excuse what you’ve done? do you stop feeling bad about it? should you? how can you realistically grow when you are suddenly in a completely different environment, and you were never taught how to conceptualize some of this?
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dumped by 3 people in one night
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it’s REALLY interesting!! it’s hard to wrestle with icly
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YEAH!!!
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Riley, copingwise, is not very far off from Vicious & Spike either, tbqh
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bc no matter how much worse other people are comparatively it doesn’t take away what you did, and the things you felt, and it can’t just turn off the guilt or anger or whatever
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that’s v exciting to hear, as someone who is p unfamiliar with bebop
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they very clearly are emotionally halted at the ages they were traumatized and are kind of emotionally immature, and neither were given proper teaching/coping as kids
spike because he LITERALLY HAD NO PARENTS SINCE BIRTH
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and wasn'tt like, taken in, he was abandoned outside of a nightclub as a literal infant and passed around by the staff until he started living on the streets himself
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aaaaaa YEAH!!! there’s a lot that was not learned at the age it developmentally should have been and has caused some maladaptive coping
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y e a h
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exactly
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and Vicious had his parents, technically, but one actively rejected him and the other was suicidal to success by the time he was 9, so they literally learned every coping mechanism they have From or In Tandem With each other
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and kids aren't super great at teaching kids,
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and also like. even if at the end of it, characters decide to still carry the weight anyway, that's not... the end. you still gotta figure out what to do after that, and build a life with that in mind
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idk it's super neat
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munches popcorn at this bebop meta tho
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yeah!! i like it a lot
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and listen i'm dying about the bebop meta ok i have been taking screenshots of shit all day today
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https://images.plurk.com/3cax9d3lwytGLbjynFGHi8.png things lik e this
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things about how Vicious didn't want to become the angry monster, but how even Fearless doesn't realize they're the same
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I'm just
This series turned them from mysterious nobodies to incredibly damaged kids who managed to survive until adulthood and I am wrecked as a result
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The We're Bad But Not THAT Bad Club. Norman wants to join you if he gets in.
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