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pixie lovemail
yeah. yeah
Dragons Dragons
okay, I've still been doing season samplers and have watched a few shows since winter but... mostly old anime...
Gayple
yeah...
Yarn Temptress
Okay I know Higurashi (and what I've heard about this season is... well, standard for Higurashi), but what are the other two?
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
promised neverland and wonder egg priority
EsperBot
WOnder Egg Priority and The Promised Neverland season 2
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
the latter was shitty across the board, promised neverland has great source material and fucked it in the anime adaptation
Yarn Temptress
Ooooh I remember the problems with WEP, yeah. Don't know Promised Neverland.
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it's very good imo, season 2 just like....rushed like it was doing the any% run and dropped wholeass arcs entirely
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(tldr read the manga)
evangelatkes
if i remember correctly wep started Accidentally Good and then it was like 'surprise we don't empathize at all with the characters you thought we were obviously setting up to be sympathetic and the shady adults get no comeuppance at all'
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
that's about what i've heard
EsperBot
The first season of TPN is great
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
and gou/sotsu is........'remember what made higurashi good? go fuck yourself.'
EsperBot
the secopnd season? What second season?
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
damn shame there was only ever one season of promised neverland
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shakes head and clicks tongue disapprovingly
Yarn Temptress
I will admit to not having finished the LP I'm listening to of the Higurashi VN so I'll take your word on gou/sotsu.
sanda
I actually enjoyed most of gou, sotsu however dropped the ball really hard
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
honestly out of the three here, sotsu is probably the least shit. like don't get me wrong, from an outsider's perspective there's clearly a lot of problems but i also know at least a few people who did still enjoy it and see value in it while admitting there was also a lot wrong with it. People whose opinions I personally trust.
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
but there's no savign WEP and tpn s2
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
wep just gets malicious and you feel betrayed for believing in the original potential you saw. tpn takes a giant steaming shit all over its source material while also not even executing what it still left in well
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
like when even anime only fans are like "wait what? this fucking sucks" you know you fucked up. not even a matter of "not faithful to the manga" it just sucks
EsperBot
It's really clear that TPN2 is the production committe going to the studio and saying 'okay so you know how in the first season you got 20% of the way through this story'
EsperBot
'you have one more season to do the other 80%'
EsperBot
'have fun'
Yarn Temptress
I remember reading Derpcakes's review of WEP on tumblr back when it first aired and... yeah, that took a disappointing turn.
Dragons Dragons
yeah... lack of communication and the crew trying to put something good together while being massively overworked made WEP appear to be the exact opposite of the writer/creator's intent, so the sudden swerve goes in the direction only the bad-faith haters expected and stabbed fans in the heart
EsperBot
That writer though
EsperBot
Jesus jiminy christ
Yarn Temptress
I gotta ask... how do you fuck up that badly?
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
I WISH I COULD ANSWER THAT
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tpn was reasonably popular too so someone shot themselves in the goddamn kidney
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missed the foot by a mile
Dragons Dragons
Yeah, no kidding.
Dragons Dragons
At least with Love Live Superstar, the only disappointment was they sank my ship, and only slightly, because you know this franchise's allergy to making anything official (and when they do they walk it back or ignore it).
Dragons Dragons
And Odd Taxi was good.
EsperBot
I'm pretty sure the explanation for TPn is that the motivation for most anime adapted from manga existing is to sell volumes of the manga
EsperBot
and the manga was over
EsperBot
so the production committee was just not going to finance any more seasons
Dragons Dragons
Likely explanation, yeah.
Dragons Dragons
Look at Fire Force, its DVD sales were in the toilet, but it got another season because sales of the manga spiked.
sᴇᴀsᴏɴ ɢʀᴇᴀsᴏɴs
Omg
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
yeah tpn was entirely bc the thing it was made to promote was already over
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
and probably also some covid shit honestly, but mostly that
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
like if the first season had happened as year or so sooner and a second season came before the manga ended it's possible we could have had another universe where tpn got two fantastic seasons and maybe a third, somewhat rushed but still fine season
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
and we wouldn't have seen the beloved father figure and an entire well regarded arc that could have made a whole season just on its own get cut
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
still cannot believe they deprived us of Two Gay Dads And Way Too Many Kids
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
well ok the way too many kids part is actually a decent reason to consider cutting back on that arc BUT ALSO..................... COME ON MAN
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
goldy pond is such an important piece of world building too like. christ.
It's Nick
The writer of Wonder Egg wanted it to be bad all along?
EsperBot
Basically the writer of wonder egg did not communicate with the staff AT ALL except to send them the script
EsperBot
So the staff did their best to interpret the script with no knowledge whatsoever of where the writer was going
EsperBot
And guessed Wrong
pixie lovemail
the staff of wonder egg priority created a genuinely touching show about teen girls and trauma, while the writer wanted it to be teen girl misery porn going "they deserve this actually" and then made that intention explicit in the final script
Gayple
the problem with The Promised Neverland is twofold: the manga is amazing (easily one of the top-10 in the last decade) and the first season of the anime was one of the best anime the year it was released. So there was a lot of hype and then we got absolute dogshit because they tried to cram 100+ chapters of the manga into 12 episodes
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
was the writer the same one who had a controversial past of basically exploiting women, queer relationships, abuse and trans issues or was that the director.
Gayple
Season 1 covered 35 of 181 chapters of manga. Season 2 covered everything else
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
it's been so long since i tuned out of the show completely that i forget which one that was
pixie lovemail
if you're thinking of the writer who wrote that one incredibly transphobic manga that's the one
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
ah yes
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
that's the one
Gayple
and yeah, WEP was so disappointing because it looked good at first
Gayple
and then we found out just how awful it actually was
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
i remember at the time the show started airring someone made a long twitter thread about him and his past works but were trying to spin it to be like "hey that could mean this show could have some interesting stuff to say/he's had some missteps in the past but writers can grow!"
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
and even at the time when i still liked WEP i looked at that and went
pixie lovemail
yeah that was my attitude at first lol, like, "okay people can grow and change i'm gonna give him a second chance" and then
pixie lovemail
that was a mistake
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
"yeah it could be that or it could be super exploitative but so far it seems okay so fingers crossed"
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
and then
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
it was exploitative
𝖊𝖎𝖊𝖓 𝖓𝖔 𝖔𝖜𝖆𝖗𝖎 ☾
pixie lovemail
i'm remembering how extremely hard i went to bat for trans momoe since the moment she was introduced and screaming internally
pixie lovemail
i even got a few really skeptical friends on board
pixie lovemail
and then the finale just. completely demolished the fundamental base of the reading, i.e. "we have to believe the writer isn't incredibly shitty"
Dragons Dragons
Yeah, the ending completely derailed everything, because even if the direction and animation and acting all pointed to the show being progressive, the writer/creator completely tanked it and did a full 180.
Dragons Dragons
the show doesn't even make any sense with his intent anymore
Gayple
Add Fena: Pirate Princess to this for the complete 4 horsemen
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
okay to be fair fena's a different shape of weird
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
what's there is good, but holy FUCK did y'all need more episodes
Gayple
ehhhh, I feel like the final episode shit all over the previous 11
Gayple
"you enjoying this story of someone making their own path and fighting for themselves? Surprise! They were destined to do it the whole time!"
Gayple
it just made me go eughhhhh
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