Beans
[Cruella] So, I will say. I would love this movie if it didn't have Cruella's name attached
Beans
because it really doesn't need it
Beans
you could make the entire movie exactly the same, but change some of the names, and it would be better
Beans
otherwise you have disney doing their usual thing where they water down villains into palatable, sympathetic protagonists who don't actually do anything evil
Beans
but they'll still reference the things the OG villain did so people can point and understand the reference
fish deranged
yeah that's mainly what i've heard
LOVE☆STRUCK
you know that's a good point
fish deranged
that's it's really fun if you pretend it has absolutely nothing to do with 101 dalmations or cruella
LOVE☆STRUCK
it'd still be ridiculous but it would like, be funny
LOVE☆STRUCK
camp-adjacent, even
Beans
I actually enjoy the characters!!
Beans
there's a genuine companionship between Cruella, Jasper, and Horace
Rama
Man this was my exact reaction to Solo
Beans
I just wish they weren't them
Rama
Although Cruella probably benefits from being funnier on purpose
Beans
The Baroness is 100% what Cruella would be as a LA villain if they didn't care about making her sympathetic
Beans
like
Beans
it's hard to describe
Beans
Not only do Dalmatians kill Cruella's mother, but she doesn't hate them
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it's TRUE like i like it fine but it's ............. not cruella???
Beans
and when she kidnaps them, she doesn't skin them for fur either
Beans
she just. keeps them. as her pets
Beans
with one obligatory "Maybe I'll skin them........ JK lmao" thrown in
unbound
honestly i wonder if you could make a case for some weird divergent timeline bullshit if you really stretched it
BERSERKER
listen
BERSERKER
if ANY movie deserved to be named "Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss"
BERSERKER
it's Cruella
Beans
oh 100%
Beans
unbound
: like, that's sort of what Maleficent did, and for the most part it worked
Beans
I just wish they allowed Cruella to actually be meaner
unbound
yeah...
della
i mean to be fair
della
she outright threatens the baroness like "i'm gonna kill you THEN i'm gonna kill your dogs"
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weirdly
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i ahve this same feeling about maleficent
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'this plot owns. why the fuck is it tied to these characters.'
Beans
valid
Beans
della
: TRUE BUT LIKE
Beans
then you get not one but like two scenes where Cruella goes "I'm a Bad Bitch psycopath......... No I'm not. Come on, guys I'm kidding."
Beans
There's always a sense she could be worse but she has to keep to the constraints of a Likable Protagonist
della
oh no 100% agreed. i'm probably viewing it through rose-colored glasses because it was the first movie i saw in theaters since...sonic. but it worked for me on an origin story level in terms of "i could see this character being a more traditional cruella a few years down the line"
della
i do wish they were more clear about that though
Beans
god honestly I don't blame you. It's gotta be fun to see in theaters
Beans
WELL!!!! apparently there's already a sequel in development
Beans
so we might get a more traditional cruella if disney decides to not be cowards
della
give me the godfather 2-style sequel where it's emma AND glenn
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it's really like they wanted to do maleficent again but they didn't understand that maleficent worked bc .......... she was never a villain
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like. cruella is deadass out here skinning puppies!! she's kinda evil!!!
BERSERKER
I mean, Maleficent worked because she was never evil. She was totally a villain but that's because she's a FEY WHO HAS BEEN WRONGED
BERSERKER
ANYONE WHO HAS DEALT WITH FAIR FOLK KNOWS THAT YOU DO NOT FUCK WITH A FAERIE
BERSERKER
they were the masters of FAFO long before humans reached that point
BERSERKER
but cruella is literally just, a capitalist, and an asshole on top of that
Rama
Maleficent is a fairy tale character operating on fairy rules
Rama
Cruella is just. An asshole.
Beans
Maleficent is the self-proclaimed Mistress Of All Evil but really she just loves fucking with people
batsquatch
I actually liked villains as sympathetic protagonists sometimes. But not this.