LOVE☆STRUCK
[more dumb stuff thinking about Baccus game again] reward systems are hard
LOVE☆STRUCK
i really have been trying to figure out how to incentivize growing relationships with multiple characters but it's tough to think up rewards for that
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i'd like to incorporate some kind of compersion system too, where characters are rewarded for helping a friend's relationships grow too
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but i think thats just bc im so fascinated with the concept of compersion and love it so much but i cant REALLY force a simulation of that so im probably thinking about it too hard...
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i think part of the problem is that I am genuinely not usually motivated by AC rewards
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so it is probably better to ask folks what kind of gameplay rewards THEY like to play with
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if I dont want it to just translate to points to buy items for videos..
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but making items worth a specific amount of points means limiting the pool of available things to play with
people would have to operate within the preset parameters of items rather than come up with their own
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though perhaps... giving them freedom to submit items...
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limited time/seasonal items might be good too...
XmasPhone☎️
I’d go with a general guideline like for X amount of points, you can have a Perk of a certain size.

Example: 10 points nets you a small Perk, like a free Toasty Treat Donut
UnlimBrainWorms
Personally, nothing gets me excited like RANDOMIZED JUNK
UnlimBrainWorms
I like essential items just to be readily available
LOVE☆STRUCK
oh yeah for sure, the setting already provides for necessities!
UnlimBrainWorms
And that doesn't just cover ICly essential things, but things that people form RP ideas around, like opening up a business or buying a house/living in a certain place, whatever
UnlimBrainWorms
The things that make life interesting
LOVE☆STRUCK
the items are all themed for "content" generation and are all status effect things or regains or alternate forms or magical costumes or fancy kink gear or whatever the heck else
UnlimBrainWorms
But if you slap down a DRRP-style RNG gachapon where I can get stupid crap like weird-flavored ramen or bucket hats or a kazoo, I'm THERE
LOVE☆STRUCK
yeah i think since Baccus is about pursuing pleasure and generating content, businesses would be way easier bc like
LOVE☆STRUCK
you could even build ic digital storefronts
UnlimBrainWorms
Yeah no see I like access to those types of items not to be limited
UnlimBrainWorms
Like you said, it limits the pool of things to play with, you know?
LOVE☆STRUCK
i mean one would get an allowance starting out!
UnlimBrainWorms
If people are there to have some hedonistic fun, I think they ought to have maximum flexibility and freedom to hedonize
UnlimBrainWorms
But they can pay for their laptop cozies and knock-off Tamagotchis
LOVE☆STRUCK
but i wanna try and incentivize the pursuit of cr more somehow if not in this way, cos it was brought up that in other games polyamory & ethical nonmonogamy have been explorable but not really taken advantage of within the settings
UnlimBrainWorms
Hmmmm
UnlimBrainWorms
I'd put it in the premise, I think
LOVE☆STRUCK
i think there would def be room for like. earning the bigger stuff but having free smaller stuff
UnlimBrainWorms
The people who want to explore that will then be drawn to the game
LOVE☆STRUCK
like, basic topic starters or item-of-the-month things
LOVE☆STRUCK
yeah, i mean for sure! i think other games have too, though, i know at least aef had mechanics for multiple connections and i thiiiink an example from last time was prisma but dont quote me on that idr the plurk well and idk much about prisma
UnlimBrainWorms
I gotta pack up and go home but there's something tangibly different between opening a space for that kind of exploration and... making something transactional out of it
UnlimBrainWorms
Also yes I was in Prisma
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And am now in Noctium which runs on the same principle
UnlimBrainWorms
So I can talk about it but I gotta gooooo
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i look forward to your return!!
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wait so prisma is over over? i feel so out of the loop
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i have no memory
teen spirit 👑
yeah prisma ended last december
teen spirit 👑
and from its ashes, noctium sprung forth
LOVE☆STRUCK
the complaint voiced last time was about people remaining in monogamous setups despite the setting encouraging nonmonogamy, and i like to try and reward stuff rather than discourage stuff, so im like. how CAN i make it incentivized in any way
LOVE☆STRUCK
i didnt realize they were connected!!
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but im also hesitant to do points AT ALL because im TIRED andi dont want to ACTUALLY HAVE TO MOD STUFF!!! ugh
decisions are hard
LOVE☆STRUCK
like i said i don't even USE points myself so this is so... out of my element
I'm just easily entertained and find most things interesting, incentivising stuff is harder than i thought it would be
LOVE☆STRUCK
but the ac style rewards i liked best WERE gachas too, like both for drrp and for balance
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honestly i think gacha rewards or like, "gain x thing from home" (like your cat, or a change of clothes, or something) is your best bet if you want it to be meaningful but not critical to game function
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it IS also something... that is more player-manageable....
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im just old and don't like to work
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understandable
teen spirit 👑
yeah i think going for more home-based things would be a better use of reward coins since the whole point of bacchus is like
teen spirit 👑
the setting sets up what you need for whatever shit you want to get into
LOVE☆STRUCK
just trust the heart of the cards of whatevs
LOVE☆STRUCK
what about... item submissions
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people like that kind of thing, right
teen spirit 👑
ooooo or that!
LOVE☆STRUCK
yeah comes back to this the less i have to do the better... and the gacha eliminates having to come up with every item
UnlimBrainWorms
Gacha
UnlimBrainWorms
It DOES mean lots of mechanical work of sitting there hitting the RNG
UnlimBrainWorms
But that’s something easily passed on to a helper mod or even, like
UnlimBrainWorms
I dunno, depending on the size of the game, you could let your players honor-system it
teen spirit 👑
yeah i was thinking of honor system earlier
LOVE☆STRUCK
honestly running the gacha was my favorite part of imaginary island
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which was ESSENTIALLY honor system bc we werent double checking
UnlimBrainWorms
Well there you go!
teen spirit 👑
like if you wanted to fill out a random generator and toss them the link
UnlimBrainWorms
I also liked doing RNG rolls on Wishimay
LOVE☆STRUCK
and.. wasnt really high stakes enough not to honor system
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i didnt really feel people had a NEED to cheat bc the items were all like. sure, you could get a cool weapon like in Balance, but they werent Necessary, you had other weapons available
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IT'S FUN RIGHT
UnlimBrainWorms
OKAY YEAH I HAD MORE THOUGHTS my brain is so scattered this morning
UnlimBrainWorms
Reward systems and incentivization aren't the only ways to encourage something
UnlimBrainWorms
I was still thinking about this last night/this morning and I got to remembering Awash, which had a system where characters were sorted into different color groups
UnlimBrainWorms
And there were missions that would require working together with someone of the same or different colors, and doing those missions got us to explore different CR and deepen CR with characters of different colors that we could rely on or clicked with our RP style
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I'm not saying you should institute missions and quests because that is a DANG lot of mod involvement
UnlimBrainWorms
But something like the color system, and having different things happen when characters interacted with the same color or different colors
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Like, "oh, X random flowerbed will display different color mixes depending on what CR happens during Y thing"
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Can be really nice!
UnlimBrainWorms
Again, not necessarily with colors, I was just very taken with that system as a person who loves color
UnlimBrainWorms
Like, okay, take one of those color-related memes like "white flowers will have a happy effect, blue flowers will have a sad effect, red flowers a feisty effect" and then turn it to the color mix rather than the color of the topleveler's individual character
UnlimBrainWorms
People might play around with different characters just to see what effects they can make up!
UnlimBrainWorms
So it's an incentive for the players without really being a reward, you know?
UnlimBrainWorms
AND on the Prismatica/Noctium thing and the way the setups do or don't enable poly relationships
UnlimBrainWorms
Prismatica's system was based a bit more on the individual acts of intimacy; the more "bases" you ran, essentially, the more IC money you made. Handholding didn't net you as much as, say, marathon sex
UnlimBrainWorms
But it didn't focus so much on the feelings or the relationships, so people had lots of different ways to make sure their characters survived
UnlimBrainWorms
Going on less physical dates, but lots of them; engaging in casual hookups without feelings involved; being very intensely physical with a single person, etc.
UnlimBrainWorms
So I think Prisma's setting itself encouraged casual intimacy among many characters, and then players would find favorite ships out of that. Some would be poly, some would have open relationships, and some would be more traditionally monogamous
UnlimBrainWorms
Noctium is largely similar, but there are empathic bonds at play and the IC ca$h money rewards increase based on how deeply the CR has bonded, how well they know each other, how in sync they might be
UnlimBrainWorms
It's too early to tell yet how that might play out re: encouraging poly dynamics or not, but my personal sense is that it might more enable that, just because relationship-building is as key as sexy sex
UnlimBrainWorms
So I hope that's helpful information!
LOVE☆STRUCK
this is VERY helpful
maybe not... immediately, but i'm gonna keep these in mind
maybe if not missions, something with EVENTS can be do...
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..done
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I also like color systems bc they're like... easy to udnerstand, imo
UnlimBrainWorms
Right?
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[tiktok audio voice] i'm STUPID and it's EASY
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