UM
snowbogan
UM
UM
snowbogan
am i reading too much into this or............
lyn.
... is that a date???
snowbogan
it sure looks like it
lyn.
that tim is in denial about???
snowbogan
and then bernard gets kidnapped
lyn.
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Good to know Tim Drake is a disaster no matter who he is not-dating
snowbogan
i know, it's very comforting
Sir Daye
BERNARD HOLY SHIT
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And is Tim back to being adopted by Bruce???
snowbogan
THAT TOO
Robin
look i came in here crossing my fingers for kon but I'll take it lmao
snowbogan
he is!
July, July
Huh. That sure does look like a date.
snowbogan
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So is he the only one or did Dick and Jason get to be adopted again too (and Cass!!!)
snowbogan
everything is canon so i ASSUME everyone is adopted again
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oh god
snowbogan
i can't remember if the jason story specifies
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Duke run, you do not need this crazy family.
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(Watch Duke not get the typical Bruce Wayne Adopting Children Syndrome treatment when Bruce isn't poor anymore)
no mortal blade
BERNARD IS BACK
purkle archer
i just assumed this continued the thought that no Bat is het
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is there a single straight person in Gotham
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who isn't evil
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Because like the only person I can think of is Mr Freeze
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AND EVEN HE IS...YEAH
snowbogan
i'm going with "nah"
snowbogan
also, jason's story has some characterisation issues but 
snowbogan
this page y'all
snowbogan
from the "this is so not my wheelhouse but i can't leave this kid" to "or another mom"
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Jason recognizes he is too hot of a mess to be much use to a kid while dealing with his own issues being triggered BUT HE CANNOT LEAVE A POOR KID WHO NEEDS SOMEONE
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That is very Jason
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How has Jason not pulled a Bruce and just collected a bunch of unexpected kids with hos much he is like Bruce in this way
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*how
snowbogan
i think he needs to get past a lot of trauma/fear/bitterness first and canon doesn't really let him do that
lyn.
jason ;A;
lyn.
also it's very much that canon tends to keep characters... idk i don't want to say stagnant? but it's the only word i can think of
snowbogan
no you're right, it's a status quo thing
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recycled might be a better word for it
lyn.
there is a Status Quo and i yearn for a day when there is not
snowbogan
how many times has bruce learned not to push his family away at this point
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because as soon as Jason does grow, canon finds a way to retcon it or undo it
lyn.
it's mildly aggravating
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like at times he grows in ways that are hilariously unhealthy (pretending to forgive bruce when he tells him about roy dying only to actually be planning a come back to gotham the whole time so he can spit in bruce's ass in the biggest FUCK YOU DAD way he can without a bag of heads)
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but growth does happen. and then it's undone.
lyn.
letting a character permanently change would be infinitely more entertaining than the trauma merry-go-round
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*bruce's eye not ass you fucking plurk
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that is not this kind of plurk
lyn.
spitting in bruce's ass would certainly be... something
snowbogan
cackling
snowbogan
so hard, i'm sorry
snowbogan
i mean bruce wouldn't expect it
snowbogan
okay okay i'll bring things back with Cute: 
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god jason do not pull a bruce
lyn.
oh 
lyn.
it's so cute i can't
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because everything in this says "Jason is moments from pulling a Bruce."
snowbogan
i mean a few pages later jason shoots the dad
snowbogan
who, in fairness, was an awful bastard who gave the kid drugs
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holy shit
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they sure did create the most fucked up story possible to hit all of jason's triggers in the worst way didn't they
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all they are missing is the joker showing up
snowbogan
snowbogan
and then he shoots him for real
snowbogan
and then he goes "....well fuck"
snowbogan
and immediately calls oracle to tell her he fucked up
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oh shit yeah
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there was no way jason wasn't going to shoot him
lyn.
i mean
lyn.
i don't blame him
snowbogan
yeah
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i can't either
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but watch bruce attempt to beat the shit out of him over it.
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penguin all over again
lyn.
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now i'm going to have to go read this and i will probably get mad but i want to know that tyler will be okay ;;
snowbogan
well, he was, but
snowbogan
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gdi
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stop doing this to me 
snowbogan
snowbogan
and then bruce actually listens
snowbogan
lyn.
it's a christmas miracle
SPOILER ALERT
that is clearly a date
purkle archer
this Jason story is so heart tugging
snowbogan
right
snowbogan
i mean, there's also some whiplash because it also keeps trying to insist he's a bad detective/too reckless to research or plan stuff which
snowbogan
nah
snowbogan
but then you get /GESTURES
snowbogan
and the flashbacks with young jay make it worse, unfortunately, despite how gd adorably he's drawn
stacy fakename
BERNARD
snowbogan
WHAT A RE-INTRODUCTION
snowbogan
and i'll say this, the story never hedges about jason being bruce's son, in flashbacks or the current day
and i'll say this, the story never hedges about jason being bruce's son, in flashbacks or the current day
stacy fakename
god i wrote so much bernard/tim fic back in the day. stares into the distance
snowbogan
tim might finally know he has a crush
stacy fakename
bless.......
stacy fakename
omg not to derail but sage did i ever tell you i met someone in uni who had READ MY FICS
snowbogan
omg NO
stacy fakename
we were chatting about fandom stuff and i mentioned writing tim/zachary and she was like "wait........" bc it was such a rare pair 
stacy fakename
my soul left my body
snowbogan
CROSSING THE STREAMS
𖦹 alan
these are good comics pages
Sir Daye
stacy fakename
: omg I wrote so much bernard/tim fic too I'm so glad
stacy fakename
lmao high five
Sir Daye
(bet whoever wrote this issue did too. or at least read it)
Pixy🧚🏻
IS this run canon? I'm reading conflicting things. I know there's the 'everything is canon' line but I've also read this is sort of not.
snowbogan
one of the stories leads into harley quinn and batman so i'd assume so?
snowbogan
(i mean, i assume there will also be things that contradict it, because comics)
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yeah the jason stuff is canon iirc? like it's one of the few things he's actually doing right now
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and it's revisiting his backstory because rebirth and new 52 had changed it so now they are like YEAH THIS IS CANON AGAIN
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(his backstory in new52/rebirth has way more joker meddling because joker was trying to make another him so)
snowbogan
rebirth seemed to ignore the joker stuff for the most part, tho
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yeah at most there were vague references, but now they are officially throwing it out, which i am a-okay with
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Like on one hand I did like the idea of Catherine being his OG mom because they gave it way more depth and context than "oh she was really his stepmom and we're not going to explain anything about the altered birth certificate or who helped do that or anything else about all of this."
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but also like...nothing about the joker's involvement was well-written or well-handled so no thanks
snowbogan
yeah i found the joker stuff really contrived and silly
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it was so dumb
snowbogan
i was always okay with catherine being his step mom but yeah, it was def an asspull they could have explained better even in retrospect and never bothered to
snowbogan
maybe now we'll get more of those pieces, at least
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his mom being a rich girl who fell in love with her dealer and gave up all of that wealth to be with him and have a family and It All Went Wrong was a surprisingly more nuanced take on his backstory that I had not expected at the time
snowbogan
(and for all my issues with how they characterise an early robin jason as already being so reckless and brutal, it was nice to see more scene with him and catherine)
snowbogan
(and i did not mind him shoving that drug dealer down a flight of stairs in a moment of protective rage tbh)
snowbogan
YEAH I did like catherine getting more of her own backstory
snowbogan
best case they blend some of that in
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but i can still keep that and just say she was a rich girl who fell in love with her dealer and the dealer's ex dumped a kid on him and she was like MINE and ditched her rich family for him
snowbogan
like she falls in love with a guy who already has a baby and she's like "okay he's my son too now"
snowbogan
(i really, really don't think jason would have been half as desperate to find his birth mom if catherine was still alive)
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and her BEING a rich girl means she might have had some connections who would do a favor for her even when she's on the outs with her family so that also explains the birth certificate
snowbogan
YEAH, that works v seamlessly
snowbogan
and hey, we can assume that happened even if they don't go into it 
snowbogan
(i'm also hoping babs is adopted again too) (i just like all the unconventional/blended families in gotham)
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it's also an interesting parallel. she gave up all her wealth because her family wouldn't accept willis (and jason?) and then jason ends up adopted by the richest guy in gotham
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but that kind of tragic air of possibility of all the things catherine could have been when willis described her and yet who she became thanks to toxic relationships and addiction is sad but a far more interesting character
snowbogan
yeah, the most we knew about her before was that jason loved her, and we could assume she tried to be a good mother
snowbogan
which is poignant and i appreciated it but it's not much of a character
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yeah. imagining her as this fearless, headstrong, Fuck You kind of rich girl who gave up everything for love and a kid who wasn't even hers, but also her addictions and toxic lifestyle was a doomed life is like...it's fucked up and sad but i respect that kind of character.
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a modern Shakespearean tragedy
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(and i agree. babs being adopted is a very interesting story with her family and everything going on there)
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(especially considering she spends so much time with other adopted people and yet barely ever acknowledges that she's adopted.)
snowbogan
(there are parallels there, too! roger gordon drank himself to death, like. let her talk to jason or selina about that! or steph, who feared that all the time before crystal got better)
snowbogan
(let jim talk to bruce about taking in a grieving teenager)
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(yeah one of my favorite parts of these issues is definitely that jason is way more concerned about disappointing babs and making her regret believing in him than he is about how he thinks bruce will react)
snowbogan
(YES)
snowbogan
"i don't mind letting down bruce, but barbara..."
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"I expect Bruce to be disappointed, BUT NO NOT BABS I CAN'T"
snowbogan
this is damn near everything i wanted for them in preboot ngl
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Babs, Alfred, and small children. the only people Jason cares about disappointing
lyn.
good priorities there, honestly