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not to be mentally ill on main* but my latest hobby has been deciding that everyone or almost everyone in a canon is autistic, actually, and reinterpreting all of their actions and language through that lens
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*im being facetious i am mentally ill on main at all times
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anyway it's just fun and i dunno, the way i/other autistic people think about things makes more sense to me
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
slamming the character is autistic button is so fun and sometimes its just rly obvious when u look at them?
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right???
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im reading soul eater and assuming everyone is autistic makes it better. sorry nts the whole class is autistic. stein and mari too
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
oh this character is anti-social and has weird habits and loves speaking a certain way and loves talking about a certain subject-- he is fuckin autistic, my guys
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this character is hypersocial but much of their social interaction seems practiced/scripted/holds a certain expectation? autistic
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
hecc yeah >:3c
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
final fantasy xiv is for the gays AND for the nds in general
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this character isnt particularly social or antisocial but struggles to understand why that even matters? autistic
skerple
nods sagely
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like fuck it i've seen so many different kinds of autistic folks especially on tiktok, ESPECIALLY now that people know masking is a thing
you could make a case for so many characters
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Peers in, I mean I've been looking at canons like "you're on the schizospec and YOU'Re on the schizospec and YOU'RE--"
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LMAO GOOD
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wait raile why dont you play stein
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if anyone is schizospec/autistic it's stein
Yarn Temptress
Yeah I do the "well obviously they're autistic" thing too. Like in FFXIV, at least to me, it's so fucking obvious that Alphinaud and Alisaie (the pair of twins that follow the PC around for those unfamiliar) are autistic. Probably a couple others too.
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
(urianger augurelt was who i was thinking of)
Yarn Temptress
(--FUCK)
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i mean honestly like again i have been applying it to not obvious people too though
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
(i mean it's said changeling children were just people trying to explain autism in the past, and urianger even began to come out of his shell around the faeries.......)
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cos like
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
lots of masking
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masking is so prevalent and so many folks who have been masking their whole lives discovered over quarantine they are actually autistic
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Honestly the only reason is that I never got around to consuming that canon, despite playing in a game themed around it
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so even people that seem to perform way better socially might actually be aspec and taking off that limitation kinda.. idk, makes it more obvious to myself why it's so much easier for me to understand fictional characters than real people
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i think you would enjoy it tbh, though maybe not the... clunky ass translation im currently reading
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i have enough clues from the anime to put the gaps together but my god it is obvious some of these translations havent been revisited since 2010
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dsjklnafkjsd I'LL CONSIDER IT........ I'm still deep in the Homestuck Mines but BEASTARS and Beast Complex ended so I've got nothing else going on
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god im moving on to beastars after this
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cant wait to jump from autism class to Autistic Wolfman
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
nobody is not autistic in the scions of the seventh dawn at the very least lbr
skerple
wol is autistic and adhd
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the art of soul eater is v emotional and beautiful imo too, it's not the SAME as beastars but if you like paru's emotional use of black you will enjoy the use in soul eater
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
and so is ardbert
skerple
naturally
Yarn Temptress
I have a WoL who is autistic and another WoL who is ADHD so I support this. (they're dating, god help them)
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I LOVE Paru's work so yeah this'll probably land well then
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
also so is elidibus he is autistic and hella adhd including the memory issues
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
(my main wol is bolormaa who is trans and autistic.)
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what does WOL actually stand for??
skerple
Warrior of Light
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Warrior of Light, sorry.
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PC character.
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also right? i could look at Paru's inks all day
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i knew it was the MC i just realized i never like
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knew what it MEANT meant lok
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*lol
skerple
also if anybody in here has played DMMD: Noiz is SOME kind of nd
Yarn Temptress
I would also like to put forth Nero and possibly Cid now that I think about him as autistic spec.
skerple
oh god absolutely those two
skerple
cid is good at social, nero is Not
della
Big Fucking Agree
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
hecc yeah they are
skerple
the singleminded/forgetful genius character archetype is pretty much ALWAYS aspec
della
my first time reading through unbelievable gwenpool in like 2015 i decided within like the first three issues that gwen is autistic and that’s still something i firmly believe
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looks up from where I've been rubbing my ADHD hands over the Twisted Wonderland cast. coughs.
skerple
hello hyperfocus and poor working memory
Yarn Temptress
Futaba from Persona 5 is all but canonically autistic, Yusuke though I'm actually stuck on because in his case it could just be really shitty socialization.
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
also pokemon universe is mostly autistic people lbr
Yarn Temptress
Pokemon are mainly service animals and I will die on that hill.
LOVE☆STRUCK
ok pokemon is inherently valid bc the guy who made it was autistic
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
EXACTLY. even the pkmn are autistic
skerple
autistic also fits well with cid being apparently a miserable taskmaster to work under - he doesn't quite get that his own working pace is kind of absurd and that not everyone can really handle that level of Output
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
i could also go on about my ff12 mental illness groupings but i wont fill this place with them (balthier is autistic and trans)
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Not to get serious in a mostly light-hearted plurk, but pokemon being inherently autistic because of an autistic creator does bring up a Thought I've been having.
As an autistic writer, does that mean any character I write is also autistic? Am I capable of writing a neurotypical character at all?
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capable? probably. responsible for/obligated to/need to? nope
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and like, who cares
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NTs have everything
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Yeah I know I'm not obligated or anything, it's just a thought I've had pinging around in my head for A While.
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no one's missing out even if you couldn't
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
I was once writing a character having a breakdown and RP partner mentioned it was rly autistic and it made me think. A lot.
skerple
NTs have been liking and relating to aspec characters for AGES without even KNOWING it so basically whatever
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frankly characters that focus too hard on BEING NT get boring anyway bc the hallmarks people use to identify NT people are like, not really... interesting narrative points. they're perfectly fine attributes for a real human being but not like, novel
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so it's better just to focus on creating a character that's interesting rather than one that is actively trying to portray a neurotypical
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Like say I don't headcanon character A as being on the spectrum while I do for character B. So I want to write the characters differently, but... is that something I'm able to do, as an autistic writer?
It's not really a Big Deal or anything, I just think about it sometimes.
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i mean it's not 100% on you either though, like... how to i say this
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humans are most likely to interpret a character as being like them because they want to identify with them
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so whether a character lands as a believable portrayal as a neurotypical isn't 100% in your hands
Yarn Temptress
You know that's actually really comforting, thank you Luc.
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neurotypicals are most likely to assume that MOST characters are neurotypical in the first place, and characters that are attempting to BE autistic or other ND portrayals are actually just interpreted as "weird" to them
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so like whether or not YOU believably see the character as "not seeming autistic", neurotypicals are most likely to assume that character is neurotypical until proven otherwise in the first place
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^^^
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that's what i mean when i say it doesn't matter and that you really don't have to worry
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like the standard is so low
Yarn Temptress
It's pretty much in the ground really, yeah.
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it's like with gay shit, straight people assume everyone is straight until proven otherwise and it's like straight isn't the default, blah blah, that whole shebang but applied to neurodivergence
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Le sigh.
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And so back to light-heartedness.
I was thinking about other characters and I landed on the Phoenix Wright universe (please keep in mind I've only played the original trilogy as I say this).
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Maya: Maybe, possibly, I'll defer to Luc on that one.
Phoenix: YES
Edgeworth: Could make an argument for.
sʜsʟ ɪᴠᴀʟɪᴄᴇ
trucy wright from apollo justice is autistic
skerple
Personally I'd go ADHD for Phoenix and autistic for Edgeworth
Yarn Temptress
That makes sense.
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holds up hajime ichinose from gatchaman crowds
ᴍᴇʀʟɪɴ.
this girl is autistic and theres nothing the NTs can do about it
skerple
Phoenix's level of panicky last-minute work, constant disarray, and haha-oh-god-what-am-I-doing absolutely says ADHD to me
skerple
by which I mean, it me
Yarn Temptress
There is symptom overlap so I can see where I mistook one for the other, ADHD does read better now that I think about it.
skerple
yeah
skerple
it is a Constellation
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he's also like Mega Apathetic Depression tbh
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LMAO Maya... Maya is back and forth bc we don't really ever get to see her outside of fuckin. trauma. lmao
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like it isn't a constant trauma but her living circumstances are certainly.... a Lot
Yarn Temptress
Yeah that's not helping matters.
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the way I write her? probably, definitely, but.
skerple
oh man yeah I can't believe I forgot how depressed Phoenix is too
skerple
depression, ADHD, and autism, the hellish chaos triangle of Brain Shit
Yarn Temptress
I'm guessing that's something I haven't hit due to not playing the Apollo Justice games, the depression?
skerple
i mean there's definitely some of it in the original trilogy too
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oh no he's always depressed are you kidding
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it's not that he's sad he has HUGE apathy problems
Yarn Temptress
I apparently need a replay.
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most of his decisions aren't spurred on by his own action, they're spurred on by the feys or by someone else
he doesn't actually take on most of his cases by himself either
skerple
yeah he's 100% one of those cases that don't get diagnosed for like fucking ever because, like, depression is feeling sad, right? it's not depression if I'm just lying on the couch all day because I can't be assed to do anything--
Yarn Temptress
(Oh no how terrible I need to replay Phoenix Wright such a terrible fate I've fallen into)
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when Maya goes back home to train the first time, he doesn't take another case until Ema comes to force him to defend Lana
skerple
and then after that he doesn't take another case until Maggey because, gestures at All Of Edgeworth's Bullshit
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honestly if he didn't conveniently remember he cared about people when people showed back up in his life he probably would never have pursued finding out what happened with Edgeworth, either
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which is a reason why i'm always bothered people are like HE ONLY BECAME A LAWYER TO SAVE EDGEWORTH because like, there were. other fuckin motives, especially if you actually finished the trilogy, and it wasn't particularly 'saving' him as much as it was wanting to know why the fuck he started being such an exploitive asshole instead of a D.A.
skerple
switching from art to law is still a HELL of a thing thouh lmao
Yarn Temptress
Oh lord yeah that's. That's a feat
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Also apparently I read Nick's depression completely wrong (mumblemumble) years ago because I just. Never thought about it. At worst I just thought he was tired or maybe not a lot of time had passed or. Hell I don't know.
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people who are Fine dont get That kind of tired tbh
Yarn Temptress
That's true.
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but like skerple said that's exactly why most people with purely apathetic depression don't get diagnosed
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because they're supposed to be 'sad' and Phoenix really isn't THAT sad, or at least not an amount of sad that doesn't reflect the circumstances he lives with
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it also doesn't help that in the very first game we don't get many reasons "why" he would get depression (obviously IRL it's simply a matter of having a chemical imbalance, but for storytelling there tends to be a motive)
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because one could easily assume "oh he lost his boss, and then he gets into stressful situations, he's tired because he's sad and stressed"
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but when we get into the flashback cases it makes a lot more sense why an art student who became a lawyer because he was saved by one when his girlfriend tried to frame him for murder might be more inclined to have a chemical imbalance
skerple
yeah that's the kinda shit that'll give even a previously healthy person the depressos
Yarn Temptress
I think that might be what I thought back at the start of the second game. "Oh his boyfriend is gone, that is upsetting, I understand that." Fuck that was like over ten years ago now I think.
skerple
yeah like a lot of his depression in game 2 is Edgeworth-related for sure
skerple
but There Was Also More
skerple
dude has had a time
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yeah exactly, adn like
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it is also less than a year after he's lost the boss that we later learn save his life
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he's got a lot going on
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it was apparently a lot more apparent that Edgeworth Gave Up and did not actually try to kill himself in Japanese, but considering we're reading ADHD/Autism into this interpretation, phoenix's strong inner sense of justice also explains why he'd be pretty unforgiving about it
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especially when what Phoenix wanted out of the situation was not for edgeworth to even give up being a lawyer, but to go back to being a DA like his dad
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if you're not projecting your own mental issues onto your faves what are you even doing tbh
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(I don't ace attorney but picking apart character brains is fun and exploring the self through the lens of the other is fascinating)
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That's it, that's the wording for what I've been doing.
LOVE☆STRUCK
LMAO
アタシ♔再生産
glad to help
MindEvaporator
Oh yeah I love doing this, just cause it helps articulate things that’d be harder to articulate
bread singalong
I think this is great! I have seen it go sour though way too often, though, with like.... idk, tumblrites for instance being like "oh, X character is autistic, so I am suddenly going to assign EVERY AUTISTIC STEREOTYPE to them"
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but obviously that happens with pretty much any headcanon. it can be taken to the extreme
MindEvaporator
Laugh mostly I pick them based on “ do they share my way of doing things/issues” in some way
bread singalong
that's definitely fair. I've done that
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wrt Phoenix Wright having depression.... I never thought of it that way tbh. I think partly because he is supposed to be the somewhat "normal" "everyman" but it makes sense
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I play him as basically compartmentalizing his problems
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(to a degree. there are obviously others he doesn't compartmentalize)
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but in Ryslig Phoenix is uh.... very Not Okay right now lmfao
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oh theres definitely a difference between like
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"this character has traits neurodivergents do" and "this is intentionally written by the creator to be a neurodivergent"
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i am all about people reinventing this shit too as long as they give themselves credit for the interpretation instead of insisting there was any actual work done on the part of the creators when there wasnt
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but i feel that way with supposed queercoding/queerbaiting too
sometimes a character really IS written to be queer
but sometimes
YOU are doing the work to interpret them as queer, and YOU deserve the credit, not the creator
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oh also like. to add to that
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there IS a difference between creators not having the freedom to show queerness and Creators Just Not Doing The Work
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*or neurodivergency, or color/racial representation
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for instance it's really frustrating to me and other Puerto Ricans that Miles Morales is like "canonically" puerto rican but there isnt any visual information in his possessions to do so
which might seem like "but no one is OBLIGATED to show theyre puerto rican, luc, that seems invalidating" BUT
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part of the reason puerto ricans get made fun of by others is our tendancy to "show it off" and bring it up whenever we can
but there is a cultural reason for that
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at some point, it was illegal to fly the Puerto Rican flag bc the US saw it as a protest symbol (which, it was, but)
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so in the modern day, much like queer pride, Puerto Ricans continue to protest the suppression of our identity by being LOUDLY AND UNABASHEDLY PUERTO RICAN and REMINDING YOU WHENEVER WE CAN
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so that means that you can SAY miles is puerto rican all day but for a lot of us it falls flat when he doesnt do the Showing
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so if Puerto Ricans were drawing him in Puerto Rican rep or writing about him being Puerto Rican, I would STILL say that the fans did more representation work in that regard than Marvel
corpse bride
I hope this doesn't come across as insensitive, but I honestly couldn't tell what type of Latino he was supposed to be, just that "his mom is Latina"
corpse bride
and I see a lot of "how to write characters of color" that basically go "don't make them vaguely Latino/Asian/Middle Eastern/etc", do your research and pick something more specific than that
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no thats part of my ENTIRE point
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people DONT know he is puerto rican unless they go to the wiki and frankly for puerto rican representation and our history that is unacceptable
corpse bride
because these cultures aren't monoliths and it's disrespectful to portray them as such
LOVE☆STRUCK
you cant just pick puerto rican as a way to make him more interesting
there are OTHER types of Latino to be with plenty more reason to not be as connected to their culture
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but it sucks when folks are like OH BUT [X] IS PUERTO RICAN! and the only way you know is bc of one line in their wikipedia
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