skerple
anyway general chatter plurk because I want to share fanart and also generally Talk About
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I'm still.... so hecked up
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Amaurot
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there's something I remember You're Quinner talking about regarding Emet-Selch, which I was definitely Thinking About when I got there
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which is that Emet-Selch is 100% adamantly convinced that you could never possibly understand him, that you are intrinsically worth less than him and his grief; he's lived thousands of lifetimes among humans and he still can't - or isn't willing to - see you as anything more than disgusting misshapen fragments, like cut up worms
skerple
but in the end, when you defeat him
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he asks you to remember them
skerple
and Quinn's observation was that... if you're so much lesser than he is, your remembrance should be valueless
skerple
that he asks for it anyway is proof that, in the end, you did get through to him. even if only just a little bit.
skerple
just, god. what a good fucking antagonist.
L'Cygna Tovah
YEAH I think at the very end he does. accept that you did fulfill his terms even though they were impossible.
skerple
also personally, I wouldn't swear that a part of him wasn't actually kind of glad to be relieved of his burden
skerple
like sure he's died before but he's never died died
L'Cygna Tovah
yeah
L'Cygna Tovah
he's been living with this grief that he's magically prevented from healing from for uncountable lifetimes
L'Cygna Tovah
and when you're depressed the idea of getting a Break is. real tempting.
skerple
yeah
skerple
the moments between the telling blow and his actual death were the first and only time he hasn't had to be thinking constantly about Amaurot and how to bring it back
skerple
also man the constant tension in his character between his conviction that you can't understand him or ever be worthy companions
skerple
and his desire to be understood by you
L'Cygna Tovah
yes
skerple
which he would never admit aloud but like
L'Cygna Tovah
he is convinced you're not real people but also he's incredibly lonely and Amaurotines were social animals. he can't help forming emotional attachments no matter how much he says we're fakey fake fakeness
You're Quinner
I'm pretty down for the theory that on some level
we have it all
yes to all of this
L'Cygna Tovah
and he's like, maybe this one can be a people? and then it will not be me and my two friends?
You're Quinner
The Dying Gasp is just Emet-Selch committing suicide by cop
skerple
I could get on board with that
skerple
I just can't get over how the entirety of Amaurot, both the area and the dungeon, are one loud and anguished cry of PLEASE, UNDERSTAND ME, UNDERSTAND MY FEELINGS, CONNECT WITH ME
skerple
even as he continually insists you can't possibly
You're Quinner
emet selch is fascinating
L'Cygna Tovah
emet-selch is fascinating
Leif
I disagree that he went against you to die. But I do think he realized you were strong enough that dying to you was... possible. And I mean it's canon as hell that he's extremely depressed.
L'Cygna Tovah
especially the whole. magically-enforced point of view thing.
skerple
yeah
skerple
tempering is a fuck
You're Quinner
I think he's trying to find some spark in humanity
You're Quinner
but also
L'Cygna Tovah
because the thing is, no matter how much the WoL wants to reach him, as long as he's tempered they can't change his mind
Leif
But considering he had a guy who Figured Out Time Travel in his clutches I doing think he was trying to suicide on us
You're Quinner
he's so convinced his right that no matter what you do
You're Quinner
he'd never acknowledge it
L'Cygna Tovah
(and of course, the question of if the WoL is ALSO tempered and therefore he can't change THEIR mind)
You're Quinner
because he's already made up his mind
You're Quinner
god I'll be honest I'm going to be tempted to just drop the game if it turns out the wol has been tempered all along
You're Quinner
I've seen the theory and i hate it so much
You're Quinner
fuck all character agency a magical crystal made you do it
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
yeah, i don't think we're tempered
Leif
But he did very much want to connect with us while also being like, all that baggage in the way. Tempered. Not seeing us as people. But really wanting to. Maybe actually being able to but in denial about it
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
i have [a certain spoiler] in mind when i say that tho
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
but also like. my personal interpretation of the dying gasp is that like
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
... i don't think he necessarily went in intending to die per se but
skerple
I certainly HOPE we're not tempered because I like the misery of that idea as a thought experiment but ultimately the point of our story has never been misery
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
i do think he went in with a faint desire that uhhhh how to put this
skerple
it's been about believing in people, inspiring people, winning out through adversity to grasp the faintest hope of a better future
Leif
I think by the time he fights you he's aware in some level that just him and elidibus without lahabrea aren't hung to make it. And he's known a long time they weren't going to make it anyway because lahabrea has been going batty for years. But i do not think at any point he was ready to give up until we proved strong enough to take over for him. S
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
"the only way i'll believe in you is if you kill me", maybe? or even an unspoken even to himself "i don't want to die but if i'm going to die then let it be at your hand or else i won't have it be at anyone else's"
skerple
and that's so much more powerful if we're supported but not forced
You're Quinner
yeah that feels more right
You're Quinner
like he thinks he'll win but if he loses
You're Quinner
it might as well be here
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
not "or else" but "because" he won't have it be at anyone else's hands but ours
Leif
So he was ready and trying to mcmurder us the whole time, nothing short of is absolutely kicking his ass at his strongest would have earned it
Yensia
And to be fair, we did in fact meet the standard that he set for which he would recognize us.
skerple
we did, at that
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
i think there's a case to be made that there's a part at the end where you could argue he "throws" the fight, if you want to take it that way. but outside of that one moment in time the only way he could ever bring himself to let go, in the first place, is if someone else stopped him, and like
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
.... he's not going to let himself just
Leif
But yeah he might be willing to entrust the future to us specifically if we prove we're better than he is convinced we are. And he was a little prepared for that. But at no point do I think he was trying to die on our sword.
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
stop.
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
he is going to come against anything that tries with all he has, because living for this is ... all he has.
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
and if you can't prove you can carry that weight, then what's the fucking point
skerple
emet-selch: can't stop, won't stop, deep down secretly might kind of like to stop, but, again, can't stop
Un(t)sundered
Yeah, pretty much
Leif
Since we're strong enough to take over as stewards of the star, then fine. But if we hadn't been he'd have murdered us and gone and tortured time travel secrets out of the exarch
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
like i do think he's testing us. i do think he wants to like. specifically see if we're capable. because if we are then he can finally lay down and rest. but the only way we can prove we're worth it is if we meet him where he's at, force forforce, burden for burden
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
but if not then we're not real anyway so he won't have lost anything but more wasted time, and time is something he has more than enough of
Un(t)sundered
Like, he arguably made the fight fair(er) given that recreating both Amaurot and the Final Days would have taken a hell of a lot of aether? But he's still coming at the WoL with all he has
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
and he gets to torture raha if we aren't, so it's a win/win, frankly, by his playbook, either way
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
because raha's brain and access to the tower will more than make up for all that time of his we wasted on ... [deep sigh] trying
skerple
honestly, does he even have to torture raha
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
and if we beat him, well ... there's no one else - and i do believe there is literally no one else - he'd rather leave the future to
skerple
raha-as-exarch strikes me as an extremely tempting possession target even if Emet doesn't usually do that
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
.... it's amon emet-selch solus zos galvus hades we're talking about here, of course he does
skerple
......true
Leif
Ascians can't possess anyone at all or they'd just possess us
L'Cygna Tovah
they find it easier to possess people in emotional distress, I think? like w Thancred
Leif
There has to be some element of mental weakness if it's a living person (or any old corpse)
Un(t)sundered
tbf I'm not sure possession-by-Ascian isn't kind of like torture
L'Cygna Tovah
so if Emet killed us, G'raha might just. give up. emotionally/mentally
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
they can possess a body if it has no soul but not a body with a living occupant, not without preemptive exposure to one of those black soul crystals like thancred got his hands on
Leif
Right but the person has to still have an opening to be possessed
Leif
Its not just the crystal you need to be mentally in a vulnerable state
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
i mean. it's not like he wouldn't have time
Leif
Which tbf if he killed the wol raha for sure would be
skerple
yeah that feels like the One thing that would break raha
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
someone has to have written some horrifying idfic off that thought, right, that has to exist somewhere i assume
L'Cygna Tovah
hm I'm not sure
L'Cygna Tovah
there isn't much fic where the WoL is dead
L'Cygna Tovah
but probably.
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
i don't think i'd want to touch that with a ten foot pole personally i'm just like looking at that idea like "that's a bug-zapping third rail thought experiment of the kind someone is going to have a bug-brain for"
skerple
I mean my first thought was "oh shit I want to read that" so lmao
skerple
I enjoy a good horrifying idfic every so often
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
see
skerple
nods.
Un(t)sundered
I'm reasonably certain WoL-as-Lightwarden fic exists at least
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
my brain is full of things like this that i would gladly foist on another's shoulders in a heartbeat, if only because i know i'm not the person who wants them to exist enough to make them but i know there are people that would very much like it if they did
skerple
--oh shit I've been unlocking the Eden raids while we discuss and nobody fucking told me about the FF8 music
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
the eden raids are the FF8 raids
L'Cygna Tovah
oh yeah Eden is FF8 times
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
:'D
skerple
I didn't even like FF8 that much and I'm fucking delighted
Leif
The eden raids are full of ff8 die like I did
Leif
There is lots of pretty art of period having their wols as lightwardens, sometimes with emet hanging out with them
Leif
Phone please. People
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
"FF8 what if where rinoaryne and squallgaia are girls"
skerple
what I am learning about myself through playing ff14 is that musical nostalgia can and will fucking strike me dead where I stand
You're Quinner
if you want ff14 hurting AU content
Leif
What if squall was a bisexual goth chick with a hammer. Checks out
skerple
my biggest moments of completely losing my fuckening mind have been musical cues
You're Quinner
how about the one where the eighth calamity took the scions one by one instead of all at once
You're Quinner
skerple
exhibit A: me meeting Hien and being struck by Cyan's theme with the force of an oncoming phantom train
skerple
that cutscene lasted an entire ingame day, I met Hien in the morning and the sun was setting by the time I had recovered from emotions enough to finish the dialogue
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
You're Quinner : ow dammit that was my soul that just had a chunk bit off it
skerple
You're Quinner : oh fuck I think I saw this once before I even started playing
skerple
time to fucking die now that I am emotionally susceptible to it
skerple
You're Quinner
I have another one but I don't think I can link it yet, depending on where you're at in shb
skerple
I have completed main story but none of the patches
You're Quinner
then yeah, not yet
skerple
keep it in reserve, I expect to be murdered at a future date
You're Quinner
skerple
anyway on that note
skerple
skerple
tama @ drinking emet-selch/wol bathwater on Twitter
oh SOMEBODY'S having fun with the Reaper concept already
You're Quinner
that's good
You're Quinner
although I'm still betting on Zodiark as Zenos's Stand
skerple
it's definitely going to be something at least that buckwild
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banani☕️ on Twitter
I'm so happy fandom was so ready for the bunnymen
skerple
I think they could stand to lose a little fabric just for greater parity with the ladies, but they're still a pretty horny design
skerple
... oh that's also drakenier fanart isn't it.
skerple
I'm good at observation and noticing things.
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https://images.plurk.com/4vEKOfgEdaqeUtJ3po73Qv.png
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moenbrydaaaaa
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https://images.plurk.com/5c3jQZRbhd9YGFwn2iEyE6.png no real reason for this screencap i just found the sky very striking
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https://images.plurk.com/13dds4v2eUGwVvZctEB6H3.png thancred has gotten much better at talking to his daughter
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https://images.plurk.com/793awCqMD1dtcDtpiDLha7.png g... good...???
You're Quinner
"Let's use the trolley. We might die, but eh."
skerple
what's self-preservation
skerple
can you eat it
skerple
... also now I'm just thinking again about G'raha's whole master plan
skerple
and how tidy it must have looked in his head
skerple
get the WoL to eat the lightwardens, take the corrupted Light from her once it got too much, make himself look like a villain so nobody would miss him, peace out to the rift and die, which would also release his summoning spell so everyone could go home
skerple
unfortunately, he has all the guile and threatening aura of a week-old kitten
skerple
to the point where I almost wonder if Y'shtola's problem with him wasn't that he was hiding shit but that he was obviously hiding shit, lmao
L'Cygna Tovah
I mean she's still talking to Urianger, notable local Sus Guy
skerple
true but Urianger's moderately better at hiding shit and also she's known him longer
L'Cygna Tovah
also I'm ;_; at the thought of Urianger and Moenbryda just infodumping about their interests at each other
skerple
god yeah ;;
skerple
sharlayan bonding
L'Cygna Tovah
he knows a lot about aetherology because he was the rubber duck for Moenbryda's thesis
skerple
cries I love that image
L'Cygna Tovah
we don't get to see it because SE hates femroes, but I bet she knows a lot about the study of prophecy as well
skerple
because SE hates femroes

I wish you were less right
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
right i was gonna say before a duty queue popped that i don't think chechey would summon an emet-like as her reaper's shade even by accident because she knows too much about the void, but she has DRKed her way into summoning up a shade of him via the myste trick to yell and get advice a few times
skerple
skerple
that does seem like it would be immensely cathartic
skerple
oh!! the kholusia day music is so nice!
skerple
it's totally different from the dissonant music it had before
skerple
completely transforms the area
skerple
(I'm doing physical DPS role quest)
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/7015fOnKTVPvigIUl76Zui.png
skerple
weh, Lue-Reeq :c
Spider Hider
Re: Emet-Selch: Tomorrow and Tomorrow, the ubiquitous and versatile Shadowbringers theme that plays in one variation or another over practically everything in the expansion, has lyrics. They're in English, and whether they sound like waffling, platitudinal nonsense or punch you hard in the gut is a function of whether you've seen the full story reveal.
skerple
yeah....... yeah
skerple
-- you know, for someone who has said I don't actually care about the release timetable for hrothgals and that I'm content just knowing they WILL happen
skerple
I sure am thinking a lot about hrothgals and possibly fantasiaing into a hrothgal
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https://images.plurk.com/4UvtzYZo9SQaM7rTdtsJ7H.png
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https://images.plurk.com/6PIt5RC3ysgHSnKoVwiRXd.png https://images.plurk.com/2WUPQOF3DWGXBGsPF1MHvC.png
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https://images.plurk.com/5Th6gPAved2iMeRdVqtPDJ.png
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https://images.plurk.com/eGWK75AWJkp57gaDvZQuD.png https://images.plurk.com/3TUPVFU0qDFaVmxw8oKhF3.png https://images.plurk.com/47bkFegnHFruRMBSNLZZ0e.png https://images.plurk.com/lyjcD8wcHSWPEm5v6Kp8E.png https://images.plurk.com/5wBViId0Gitgwe9Qra2D46.png wheez
skerple
OH IT'S THE LADY WE SAVED AT THE BEGINNING OF DRK
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https://images.plurk.com/qjPDn6ASOySM3I4U2jBTy.png c:
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https://images.plurk.com/1hKEnTz7RrP32EZ9ENaLah.png ah ;;
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
DRK 80 is: good
skerple
it is indeed, good
skerple
I got sidetracked by a hunt and then queued for Jade Stoa but I'll get back to the dude in La Noscea as soon as I finish this cutscene with Byakko
skerple
by the way NOBODY TOLD ME THAT TRIAL IS FUCKING AWESOME AND HAS A BULLET DODGING PHASE AND ALSO HE TURNS INTO A WEIRDLY HOT TIGER-ARMED FURRYMAN??
skerple
this game is very kind to my aesthetic bisexuality
Sword Logic
a bit up-plurk reminded me. hey, hey. think about the myste trick for a second.
skerple
yes?
Sword Logic
hold it in your mind while you think about what just happened, in amarout.
Sword Logic
aren't they the same?
Sword Logic
in your grief and regret, didn't you wield the power of creation, just a little?
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
make sure you read your journal for the 80 quest after you're done
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
(as drk)
skerple
....inhales softly
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/eChFjROm3lQ1XVmAapZ5B.png !!
Sword Logic
(also this quest is lovely, I just needed to get that thought out since I've been saving it since drk 70)
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/3YfUNOiEDqEk5NtSEM0FtU.png https://images.plurk.com/6xy81Joz5eGD3WN6gHmWaB.png https://images.plurk.com/5RW9lJZC45kcrimcESu2oA.png https://images.plurk.com/2YEkc1sVpSxyoQgpeEVPYk.png https://images.plurk.com/1110wFpaCslDqfrV3saliz.png https://images.plurk.com/2hH96OQ86zjCpc5jffutOT.png https://images.plurk.com/1YjQ5TmpBvti6pcW7bH4Zv.png https://images.plurk.com/6bJgZaYqPOhIbRB4ob51Dp.png ;A;
skerple
that whole part of DRK was always the part that sat worst with me, not like as a story but because it felt bad to think of myself-as-Keimgeim acting the way you do there, saying the things Fray says for you there - you know, basically the same kind of regret this guy had
skerple
so this is... a really nice way of circling back and addressing that
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/1tpnlMx6wyHIpSGezro2PY.png WAH
skerple
I love how Ishikawa is not afraid to play with the narrative voice to punch you in the heart
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
you say that now,
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/580guIdUiCW17EBuItff7D.png ;;
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/6ciVkVF4e0aPjJQPZxqhKC.png https://images.plurk.com/1qFTPZTww5c0rvsJVf4CZA.png https://images.plurk.com/4PwOxvig5sxQ9slO437PqV.png https://images.plurk.com/3DGjBOC6lpsyOjvxfmqhiv.png https://images.plurk.com/2CC1DsMfNtTgI25LeGW1tT.png https://images.plurk.com/28jXlilvun5XJ7UYuHeuzH.png https://images.plurk.com/5PEmHMTDpQ0zqpKPv7kQb.png https://images.plurk.com/7FykqUERLdrt4V5OXTuSN4.png
skerple
I'm legitimately a little teary
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/2xPFJaEfpuWW1NEEpwUe5x.png I feel like this is a deep cut if you know PLD
L'Cygna Tovah
it's such bollocks
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/2FQ7o3lRooDAyt9TXN3cn1.png lmao
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/Zpve6Iz2VcoJI77mtu3p4.png --this. this slots so perfectly into the accidental arc I've had of Keimgeim continually having moments of "I should have picked up conjury", and my vague plans to, in fact, pick up CNJ next
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
sdjgljgd;
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
nice
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/26bNQbhW9kVZa2X5KUrFvq.png i'm love sid
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/7HsChNp5KmXnm83c6UKxqY.png
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/5HgKx4o1nSlzJyy4GVooZ3.png so is it common for Elezen kids to be really short for a long time until they suddenly shoot up into lanky giraffes? asking for a tall friend and her short Elezen maybe-girlfriend.
★ тяу-нαя∂уи
yes
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
yeah
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
there's a running cultural gag about it
skerple
excellent.
skerple
I assume that's mostly in the 8967968 sidequests I haven't done yet
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
iirc urianger gets a line in some quest or something abt how moenbryda used to tease him frequently about it because he didn't see his own growth spurt until he was almost twenty summers, or something to that effect
Dead Mentors
I believe it's about 20 years old when they Get Tall? So, uh. No wonder she's pissed about Sid treating her like a kid....
skerple
dfjghsdjf Oh No
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
yeah it's like, 19 or 20 when it usually hits
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
they're aggressively smol and then Suddenly
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
i am no longer baby i want power
skerple
jdfhskjd
skerple
also I never stopped to consider smol urianger and moenbryda and I am slain
skerple
no wonder she just hoisted him straight off the ground she probably did that all the time when they were kids
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
YEAH
Dead Mentors
Chances that Sid has ever actually asked Rielle how old she is instead of making assumptions: basically nil
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/4y6gE5Lx2N5XLCXxdI8OQP.png AAAAAAAAAA
skerple
Dead Mentors : he is, after all, a chocobo's arse
skerple
god she's going to Get Tall and start flirting and he's going to bluescreen entirely
塔露拉·雅特利亞斯
it's such a deeply solid characterization detail that sid just refuses to engage with elezens on a cultural level whatsoever even as his entire worldview is hopelessly ishgardian anyway due to it being basically where he actually grew up
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/2mkoZlNYSoPWDXVRpcF42e.png https://images.plurk.com/5KGhph2dXgImyjP19JFzXL.png https://images.plurk.com/rPE2yOGiHQBxHbRpYbAcE.png https://images.plurk.com/1SYHQbbkcw0Rchr02OF7J5.png i'm dying
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/7vrtWsjVTf27jZ3VCstGM3.png
skerple
ishikawaaaaaa
L'Cygna Tovah
I love you more than you'll ever know. Be well.
L'Cygna Tovah
fuck you I'm not crying you're crying
skerple
that is a very on point thing to say in this specific context
skerple
when I class back to physical dps for lue-reeq I'll have to check the journal again just to see the difference
skerple
https://images.plurk.com/3JNHnsMXx1Va8B6mRmCb3J.png jfsdghdf mood
Dead Mentors
I'm trying to remember if something comes up now or if it doesn't kick in until later: have you talked to the Crystal Exarch since finishing the last Shadowbringers quest?
skerple
oh shoot, I haven't
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