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[legacies] current theories about s3 landon but they involve spoilers
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ok so he's sus right
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hes been sus since he came back
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and at first my theory was "oh ok so that's clearly malivore walking around in a landon skin"
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but then he was all hype about the gremlin and I was like "ok well I WAS WRONG"
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but some lines dropped last night and I'm squinting
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wade went full nerd and that's supposed to be the punchline but
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- it was a monster in the d&d bestiary and they needed wade to ID it even though wade says Landon is the best available DM
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- wade was like "this is just like the time we played a 30-hour session" and landon couldn't follow the conversation
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if you've dmed for 30 hours, you fucking remember that shit
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when hope was struggling to speak, she called him "liar"
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and he was a little too unconflicted when it came to stabbing her
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OH WAIT just got to the ending
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I started plurking before I finished
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oh good the episode is confirming all of the things
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Do you think it’s Malivore, then? I suspected (and hoped it wasn’t true) that it was Mal after the very first assault in the prison world. But I hoped it wouldn’t be the twist of, Hope sleeping with her bf’s dad. But he seemed so off after. And then he was in the void and that seemed real...
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oh it's even the teaser
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so wade just dropped the "it only goes after dead flesh" part and THAT is an interesting wrinkle
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before the teaser ending, my thought was SimuLandon
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since they've been teasing a lot of Clarke and technically Clarke died in simulandons body
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and Landon's been a little TOO emotive
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but the "it goes after dead flesh"... 
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necromancer in a landon suit?
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there was a pretty spot on impersonation earlier. was it foreshadowing?
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but might still support clarke because clarke might technically be dead?
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alternatively, the whole pandora's box thing adds a new wrinkle
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hope opened it while wishing for landon so is it just like a changeling situation?
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like some rando demon living his best life filling a hole so a kidnap-ee won't be missed?
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it's definitely one of those storytelling devices where the audience doesn't have the full toolset to figure out the answer yet
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but it's a really interesting problem to chew on (I can never canon update him)
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also unrelated but Ethan remains best boy at the moment. 
in a canon full of good boys who try hard, he is trying hardest
in a canon full of good boys who try hard, he is trying hardest
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Love Ethan so much omg
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And yeah I wonder if real Landon is the skull warrior fully assimilated into the prison world
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oh yeah for sure that's been my theory
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soul-swapping was always clarke's big threat right?
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It was. And Clarke has been in every flashback!
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So, we know they still have access to that actor.
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So, it is very possible, that is Clarke as Landon
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alternate theory: what if the pandora's box mythos is about clarke
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does it predate him?
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malivore dates back to medieval Europe right? so maybe the pandora stuff is too old for him
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oh hmmm. yeah, Malivore is medieval Europe
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there were knights
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so Pandora's box is far far more ancient
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and... Greek in origin?
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yeah it's from like. theogenes
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pre-homer
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casually slides over to my bookshelf to double check dates
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oh right theogeny is the name of the BOOK, Hesiod is the author
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late 8th century bc
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so if they're going full Classics nerd, Pandora follows specifically after Prometheus
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Pandora suffers in retribution for the fire stealing incident
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ohh kay. and this will PROBABLY be the way to release the next part of the mythology
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aka the end of the season, someone will open the box and ... all the suffering is let out or some such
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oh wait forget what I said about Prometheus that was a misreading in my notes 
/removes that sticky so I don't do that again >>
/removes that sticky so I don't do that again >>
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oh I thought it was already opened back when hope made her wish and threw it in the river
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okay OKAY FOUND IT. my confusion was because hesiod basically wrote the same story twice and swapped out a character in the revision
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reading this again and thinking about it in terms of where s3 is going, it really speaks more to the thing with hope and cleo
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especially considering how much legacies likes to be heavy-handed with their hope metaphors
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I could see them being like. "....only Hope remained there...!!!!!!" and then running off to change course about something
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the translator's footnote about the star says that the original greek is ambiguous about what the jar is and what it symbolizes. he thinks it means that hope remains within humanity as an antidote for the evils
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so if Cleo releases humanity's untapped potential, Hope is required to keep it in check and untainted by darkness
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or something
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I dont see as many ties to the landon stuff -- he ain't no Prometheus
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so, Hope could become the guardian of Pandora's Box
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which might isolate her again, and be some big between season sacrifice
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I was thinking more that Cleo might be a proxy version of pandora
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I have not done the research to see if pandora stuff ever crosses over with stuff about the muses
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some of the Hercules scholars might have opinions about that? herakles is a guest character in A BUNCH of random greek shit
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usually being a dudebro and offering to bring people back from Hades for the lols
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which involves a lot of stuff with the muses and the fates and most of the pantheon
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but like if something is big and explodey then hope misreads it as a big sacrifice but what she actually has to do is stay with cleo and choose friendship over her ridiculous boyfriend bullshit
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idk I feel like hope has gone way too deep into the "ok but I can't exist without a man" obsessive narrative for it to not pay off in her learning to sit down and not do that
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but maybe I just want more from this series than a cw show is capable of providing to me
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I also spent years waiting for elena to decide to maybe be her own boyfriend and stop hanging off the Salvatores, so.
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yeeeeaaaaah, it's my least favorite part of her character arc but it does feel like these writers have reasons for why they write what they write
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lmao I spent s3 thinking they were setting Elena up to be with Matt again
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and now in s3 of Legacies I just draw hearts around MG and Ethan. their CHEMISTRY
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ugh yes Ethan is everything I love in a character and I already registered an account so I can have soft 7/11 date night threads with my friend who plays mg
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one of the things that bothers me about s3 is that there's a lot more of landon and hope actually interacting? and you can see more about their dynamic on the regular and not just :she loves him because he's in peril"
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like the ways where he's soft and she's hard and they meet in the middle
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there is, but it's also like it's the FOCUS a lot of the time
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and it's like "oh I want to go back in time and reapproach some of those old threads now that we have this perspective" but also I DO NOT TRUST THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY LANDON
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Hope blasting him back was disrespectful and not just a hold my purse moment
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me neither
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but like I said, I got icky vibes she didn't have sex with Landon in the first place
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and it's why he dissolved
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I mean in general I find Hope kind of unlikeable as a protag so I thought that was fully in character for her
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LMFAO I didn't think it was OOC
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I just thought it was
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LMAO
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BAD
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like, DAMN Hope
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and you almost turn into a freakin berbalang~
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I mean YEAH I just don't expect anything good from her so it fits
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I like that they're really increasing their pantheon of monsters
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yeah... she's got a VERY one-track characterization
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I loved her friendship with Cleo
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but it's the CW so ~ romances
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like if you're setting up a story where someone runs in half-cocked and gets fucked over with it, Hope's the character to use for that slot
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I do think that they are trying to set up Ethan and MG, it just feels like a really slow-burn. but I could also just be in my land of wishful thinking
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: totally. she will fuck over almost everyone for landon
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I wanted her to also get darker because of the black magic she absorbed from the prison world
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which is radioactive because the writers say it is okok
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I mean they're fully queerbaiting with hope and cleo -- it's TOO deliberately done, which is why I think it'll be relevant to the pandora stuff I looked at earlier
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I would find it entirely unsatisfying if there isn't a hope/cleo moment in the season finale
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yeah, it feels like they're fully being OBVIOUS about who they're setting up
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do you think Ethan will be turned by season's end?
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it's possible
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it's possible he'll be turned next episode 
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the way THAT shit's going, he might be dying
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but it might be like "here my blood can heal you" and then they go have a burger
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LMAO yeah, I'm guessing he gon be healed but then might ... die within 24 hrs
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yeah since it seems like that subthread is just "this is why there aren't already a bunch of vampire superheroes, MG"
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MG is free to live without Alaric's rules and smashes facefirst into why the rules were put there in the first place
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lessons~
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I've been loving s3 tho
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well, not the end of 2 that much
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but the episodes that would've been season 3
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there was some rockiness during the transition, but it's picked up nicely
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totally. it took a few episodes. but it feels like everything is cohesive now
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so the next ep is called "I was made to love you" and that for me thinking
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like obvi it's going to not be about this but like in general
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landon was born to be malivore's way out
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and hope is the loophole that would keep him from becoming too powerful
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so is it like a doppelganger situation where landon was always drawn to her because she is the one who would stop malivore
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like if we accept that her body is toxic to his body and that stays canon
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was that always the design?
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malivore could escape into a human body but that body would always want to connect with the tribrid and that connection would undo the vessel's ability to exist
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ALTERNATIVELY
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IT JUST CLICKED
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the landon head she made out of clay
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we haven't seen it in a while
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BET THAT'S IT
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Landon has done nothing but things that involve Hope
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and he doesn't know anything that Hope doesn't know about him
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Hope doesn't know any of Landon's sordid D&D exploits so a construct she makes wouldn't have a frame of reference
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she made it while she couldn't control her magic
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and she was channeling Cleo while she was sculpting
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she made a golem
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Hmmmmmmmm