I spend a lot of money I buy you white gold We raise up a little roof Against the cold ON SOUTHWOOD PLANTATION ROAD WHERE THE STARS BLOW LIKE MILK ACROSS THE SKY WHERE THE HIGH WIRES DROP WHERE THE FAT CROWS FLY
It's been implied that Natsuhi's position within the family is VERY weird due to extenuating circumstances a number of times at this point. That combined with her randomly having a spirit mirror... Finding out more about her is going to be key.
if the other siblings consent to entering the game and playing by its rules they also have to consent to losing by its rules, you dunce. they have essentially everything to gain and nothing to lose by playing ball here, while the opposite is true for you
Kyrie is missing the crucial piece to solving a large part of the plot... which is, again, probably why she's been eliminated on the first twilight in both of the previous episodes.
Unironically think that the purpose of this scene is to show how insanely intelligent Kyrie is at least compared to the rest of the people stuck on Rokkenjima, and why letting her have any information at all is a huge risk to the culprit
like if she knew that kinzo BELIEVED that magic must have risk, not even that it's true in the domain of witches, that would instantly reframe everything for her and she'd get a lot closer to the truth
this is a trap but i see where it's going, i.e. what i've been thinking about for a long time wrt seeing the mansion as the only viable playing field on rokkenjima is a massive flaw in the logic here
I'm still worried that I, personally, do not know how to fight, buuuut we'll see how it goes. Even if I don't, seeing how Battler DOES will help me in Episode 4.
If the witch says in red that "There is no nineteenth person on Rokkenjima, nor is there any mysterious secret mansion built within the forest." he's toast
Beato created the red truth precisely as a means to stop these circular stalemates from happening by simply saying the truth without needing proof to back it up.
From my understanding it goes something like this: 1. "All ravens are black." can be understood to be true 2. "If it is not black, it is not a raven." can be understood to be true as a result of 1 3. "I saw a raven, and it was black" is evidence supporting 1 But then
To prove that all ravens are black, you can either examine every raven and show that each is black, or examine all non-black objects and show that none are ravens
To prove that a hidden mansion with a mistress exists, you can either find the mansion, or examine all areas of the island and find that a mansion does not exist.
4 does not confirm the truth value of 1, it only confirms the truth value of 2. As long as there isn't a "3" that confirms the truth value of 1, Battler's argument falls apart.
So, like. I think Beato is trying to call Battler's bluff here. Because if this is a move he makes, if Beato denies it using red truth, then he'll be forced to accept that the culprit is among the eighteen.
Hempel's Raven was used because Battler's move is saying "the culprit is the nineteenth person that you can't deny exists," which thereby excludes the eighteen from being the culprit because he doesn't have the time to individually examine all of the negative cases.
...so this is what I was saying before with "the moment Beato says 'the nineteenth person is not the culprit' Battler's case is blown out of the water"
If Beato opens the box of the nineteenth person and there's not a bomb in it, what moves does Battler have left in order to say the bomb isn't in any of the other boxes, under his own logic?
With English numbers as statements and Roman numerals as unproven evidence for statements.
1. If a nineteenth person exists, that person can be the culprit. 2. None of the eighteen are the culprit. iii. The nineteenth person's "box" is "opened" and they are the culprit. iv. The other eighteen's boxes are opened and none of them are the culprit.
In addition, Battler has another losing condition. If the premise of "the nineteenth person" is accepted and that "box" is opened with the red truth and the nineteenth person is not the culprit, he may be able to open "all the other boxes" and show-
...what's with the windup, Beato? Don't you like cutting him down in his triumphant moment of logic, not afterwards? The raven is just to psych him out.
And if she says "the culprit is the nineteenth person," that ultimately denies her own existence! Fuck, there it is! I can't believe I missed it—Battler is relying on his faith in his family and riding on that, and if Beato can't confirm that the culprit is one of them in red, then she must confirm that the culprit is not the nineteenth person, but
What gambit could Beato be relying on later in the game that would be worth letting Battler get an advantage so early, and needs the number of people on the island to be uncertain?
AH. ah. ah. YEAH THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AND ALSO PUNCH A HOLE IN BATTLER'S ARGUMENT. You can't prove that she didn't exist, but if she did exist, you can't prove she's alive either.
I buy you white gold
We raise up a little roof
Against the cold
ON SOUTHWOOD PLANTATION ROAD
WHERE THE STARS BLOW LIKE MILK ACROSS THE SKY
WHERE THE HIGH WIRES DROP
WHERE THE FAT CROWS FLY
WHAT IS THE POINT OF MAGIC IF I CAN'T RUB YOUR FACE IN IT, USHIROMIYA BATTLEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR?!1. "All ravens are black." can be understood to be true
2. "If it is not black, it is not a raven." can be understood to be true as a result of 1
3. "I saw a raven, and it was black" is evidence supporting 1
But then
2. The culprit is a nineteenth person.
3. ?
4. You cannot prove there is not a nineteenth person.
1. If a nineteenth person exists, that person can be the culprit.
2. None of the eighteen are the culprit.
iii. The nineteenth person's "box" is "opened" and they are the culprit.
iv. The other eighteen's boxes are opened and none of them are the culprit.
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