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hypothetical Hallownest Valor thoughts
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- A Lot of research would be required
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because that lore is deep and complex
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- I'd establish right out the gate that This Is Not About Radiance
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that whole conflict is to be left to the games
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some new shit is happening here
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- Set during the height of Hallownest's power, long before the game
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either pre-Radiance or between Radiance being shoved into a bug and the fall of Hallownest
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not sure how the timeline hashes out
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- Canon characters appearing would be restricted to real important ones
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like, the Five Knights are active in this era
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- Make up at least one new kingdom wholesale
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Just decide on a nicely unused type of bug
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and give them a chunk of the underground beyond the map's edge
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Termites living in a petrified tree that supposedly reaches to heaven
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jesus that's good
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They Dig Up
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but like, no Hornet, no Dirtmouth squad
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Dung Defender is hanging out
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MAYBE Grimm
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handling the core plot would be tricky because like
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on one hand, i don't want it to just be more of the game's antagonist
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but I think the way darkness and light are used in HK is a huge part of the atmosphere
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with hope being found in darkness and corruption in light
Echo
There were some vague implications of a really, really ancient Void-worship cult/society that predated even the Radiance, right?
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- There super are still ancient half-crumbled ruins to explore
Echo
Maybe instead of a sealed light-aligned big bad, you could have a slumbering dormant dark-aligned big good?
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when you sell the Arcane Eggs the relic guy talks about a society predating even hallownest
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- I feel perhaps unaccountably that Valor Alter's smaller numbercrunch fits the feel of HK more than core
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Bugs are very small
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So the numbers should be small too
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I might just be thinking based on how you have 5-9 HP in the game
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but on the other hand The Radiance has 1700 health
Echo
She's the sun, though.
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The sun probably should have a very big healthbar, it's just like that.
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- Come up with like, 1-2 new Higher Beings tops
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I'd have to go through each of the game's areas and hash out what it originally was before the fall
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Anyway a character concept has already sprung fully formed into my head so
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I’m fucked
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tell me your concept
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A beetle, I think, who was from a real low class neighborhood full of gangs and drugs and shit, who got together with a partner in crime (ideally another party member) to try and pretend to be a noble and their bodyguard and con the rich into accepting them
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Tries to talk all posh but occasionally slips into rougher speaking styles when under too much stress
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there are a few places in canon that I'm medium sure weren't part of Hallownest the nation
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the Hive, maybe the Mantis Village
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Some big plot thing happens and they’re like “what the fu- er...what devilry is this!?
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I think Greenpath has a different language?
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It needs some work but it’s a start at least
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indeed
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- the biggest problem would be character art
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HK bugs have an extremely distinctive style and there's not a lot that's similar
moontouched
greenpath had its own worship/enclave sort of thing with unn so if you're setting this pre-Fuckery, unn is likely still active
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yeah
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they allowed hallownest to build through their territory but weren't so hot on outsiders going any further than the paths
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realistically i'd probably just have to be like
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"ruka here's two hundred dollars, please just draw a zillion bugs"
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oh right yeah there are like
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bits of Hallownest architecture in greenpath
Echo
I kind of want to make a character that's an orchid mantis.
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Maybe they were the result of some kind of bargain between the Mantis Tribe and Greenpath at one point?
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Or just a mantis that, like.
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Got lost in Greenpath somehow as a child and ended up raised by plants.
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They're bug Tarzan.
moontouched
yeah the general thing is
- mantises had a treaty but that was very much a "we won't fuck with you directly but your ass is grass if you fuck up in our territory" thing
- deepnest was like it's good as long as we say it is
- greenpath had very firm boundaries
- there was definitely immigration from the world beyond, because ze'mer is foreign
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- hive didn't want anything to do with those weirdos outside
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- mushrooms is mushrooms
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- colosseum is Uhhhh let's not look at those guys directly . dont worry about it
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dont make eye contact with the gladiatoral deathmatch people
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- nailmasters were presumably a wandering order of some kind that used to be bigger
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mantis lords: "cross this line and be reduced to dust"
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Mister Mushroom is definitely still around somewhere
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Caps and shells may fall to dust,
But Mr Mushroom readjusts...
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- whatever the fuck steel soul jinn is
- wherever the fuck the godseekers came from is a literal godless land, which implies a land can be either ditched by its gods, or can have its gods die out without replacement
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you can see what's probably the corpses of the gods of the Land of Storms in a hidden corner of Godhome
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iirc there's also a very rare memory you can get when entering
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which is bleak as shit and is just a bunch of godseeker corpses/broken masks and someone asking why they've been abandoned by their gods so
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something happened there
Echo
-Also Grimm might show up sometimes, because he's like that.
moontouched
it's safe to assume that depending on the scope of campaign there's like a ton of other civilisations out in the wilderness despite PK saying NO, NOTHING EXISTS OUT THERE, DONT LOOK AT IT, DONT MAKE EYE CONTACT
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probably everything from little towns to established god-protected territories or cities in their own right
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the termite residents of the Divine Pillar
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so it's pretty flexible and it's entirely realistic to say that hallownest's trade agreements stretched beyond what we see in the game (since it is busted as shit) and make up more cultural groups/towns/etc to play with as needed
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a scorpion enclave in a land without waters
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Centipede Church
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Ooh, what if the scorpions are the rare few who risk traversing that desert on the edge of the Howling Cliffs?
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Scorpion nomads
moontouched
i concepted the idea of like, a civilisation that just lives on the back of a gigantic moth-god and protects it when it lands to feed and rest, in exchange for similar protection from intruders and also having a flying home base that can just fly away if it's had enough, so if you can find any use for that you can have it
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the only moths we get to my recollection are the Seer and Radiance Sort Of
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if we're gonna have a traveling band of nomads tho:
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butterflies
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those things actually migrate
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just a storm of butterflies passing over Hallownest twice a year
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Nice
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Dirtmouth started as a trading post because the butterflies need supplies but don’t like going underground
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or some kind of community in the same place
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I imagine Dirtmouth itself was founded well after Hallownest fell
raspberrydrink
i would be all over this
pixie lovemail
I would also be all over this.
Echo
Same.
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