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@weefolk
Tue, Feb 2, 2021 11:46 PM
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:35 AM
Such a quick glance at The Doctor's arc
CW Genocide
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@weefolk
Tue, Feb 2, 2021 11:48 PM
casper 1995
sorry for the pings today :x
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@weefolk
Tue, Feb 2, 2021 11:49 PM
Classic Doctor is - something
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@weefolk
Tue, Feb 2, 2021 11:49 PM
KrisKrampus
and we've had this talk
KrisKrampus
@Matrixrefugee
Tue, Feb 2, 2021 11:52 PM
Mmm, indeed!
JingleBells
@weefolk
Tue, Feb 2, 2021 11:56 PM
but at the end of the day; 1960s, 70s and 80s tv
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@weefolk
Tue, Feb 2, 2021 11:56 PM
there really werent 'grey' characters
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:04 AM
so, 9, going back to save Jack, is
very
significant
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:05 AM
vs, the others that would have just let Jack blow with his ship
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:07 AM
because a lot of Classic Doctors logic would have been
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:07 AM
Jack caused the problem, but even though Jack came around, still caused the problem to begin with and endangered the Earth
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:09 AM
and Im sure having been in The Time War, got The Doctor to rethink this logic above a bit
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:10 AM
but yeah, so much significance with 9, going back to save Jack
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:11 AM
and remember how 9 is, still with Rose in their second adventure on the space ship
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:12 AM
and allowing Cassandra to implode
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:12 AM
and 10 tries to make up for the above later
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:13 AM
Cassandra Moisturise Me! Doctor Who
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:14 AM
Cassandra's Death | New Earth | Doctor Who
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:14 AM
Doctor Who / Captain Jack Harkness- the doctor dance...
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:29 AM
Mind you though!
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:29 AM
Doesn't mean The Doctor can't slip backwards either
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:29 AM
10 and 11 sort of lose their way
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:29 AM
and 12
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:30 AM
but it comes out in other twisted ways
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:30 AM
like -
live forever
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 12:31 AM
but for the most part, Doctor tends to be mercyful now
casper 1995
@whomps
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:41 AM
oooh yes
casper 1995
@whomps
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:42 AM
i do like how it's like, he has mercy but it's something that isn't like, easy all the time ?
casper 1995
@whomps
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:43 AM
a choice
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:47 AM
Yup! sometimes he has to lecture to himself inside his head about why you deserve mercy
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:47 AM
sometimes also to the being that is the problem
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:48 AM
Ten lectures
a lot
and he's fishing for a reason to give you mercy and wanting them to take it
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:48 AM
But the fact mercy exists at all is amazing
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:49 AM
because Doctors 1 - 7 would just F you over no questions asked
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:49 AM
they got what they deserved
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:50 AM
and this is why 10 lectures and then if the being doesn't see reason
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:50 AM
He does say "You did this"
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 1:59 AM
and then you know Ten is going to F them over somehow ^
casper 1995
@whomps
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:00 AM
go d
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:02 AM
so doesn't always end ideally
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:02 AM
but the fact that there is any attempt at all is what is great character growth
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:03 AM
to reach out and reason over just passng judgement
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:03 AM
Because Classic Who, Doctor just passes judgement
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:11 AM
classic Doctor did have some moments of extreme hesitation as well tho
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:12 AM
I just imagine Eleven looking back on Four hesitating to blow up the Daleks like "oh you sweet summer child"
JingleBells
@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:13 AM
true
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:13 AM
but that entire story arc was also The Doctor being forced to do Time Lord dirty work
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:13 AM
Four wanted to go right away but they took The Tardis
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:14 AM
yeah
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:14 AM
I mean it's also pre-Time War when the Daleks were just Some Really Bad Guys, not The Existential Threat And Worst Thing Ever
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:15 AM
yes but it was still morally wrong to do that and Nine, and Ten arent glad that War had too
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:16 AM
I'm not sure how much of their displeasure has to do with sympathy for the Daleks tho XD
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:16 AM
that's just making me want to play Rusty again
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:16 AM
XD
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:18 AM
and Ten has crossed the line of what is morally just at times because of his own unstable mentality
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:18 AM
like - it wasn't right to kill the racnoss babies
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:19 AM
they didnt have to suffer because of their Mom
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:19 AM
and usually The Doctor is better than that
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:19 AM
I did say that someone can backslide
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:20 AM
But the majority of the time; someone does try to be fair and debately more than fair than the other being deserves
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:20 AM
see how Ten tries to reason with the Cult of Skaro
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:21 AM
or the Daleks that came out of the Void Ship
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:22 AM
and sometimes; someone is just a b****
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:22 AM
its very depending on what is going on the Doctor's timeline atm
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:22 AM
Did someone lose Rose?
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:22 AM
Did someone lose Amy? or Clara
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:22 AM
Oh boooy oh snap
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:22 AM
Look out universe
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:26 AM
Doctor needs a human, no matter the face
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:28 AM
...I'm honestly not sure what the alternative was with the Racnoss
JingleBells
@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:28 AM
otherwise Doctor is prone to being stupid in many ways we could go on about forever
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:28 AM
but Ten was definitely in "FINE THEN GRIEF AND SUFFERING FOR EVERYONE AGAIN I GUESS" mode
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:28 AM
The babies could have been transported somewhere else
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:29 AM
Ten went back to when that happened why didnt he stop it then?
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:29 AM
Yes, Yes Ten was because that was right after having lost Rose
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:29 AM
...could they tho, they were world-scouring born-starving super-predators, I'm not sure negotiating with them would have worked. >_>
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:30 AM
Maybe with the Empress's cooperation, but with no prep time, I'm really not sure what the play would have been...
JingleBells
@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:30 AM
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:30 AM
Although he could have been less Look How Stoic I Am about it
JingleBells
@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:31 AM
pets Paul
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:31 AM
I MEAN. I'm sure Ten's inner narrative is "I should have saved them!!!!!" even if he didn't actually have a way to do it XD
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:32 AM
eh, Doctor's clever, I think if he had wanted too and in a better mind frame
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:32 AM
could have figured something
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:33 AM
even if it was prison where they'd still be alive and not prose a threat to the universe
Exacerangutan
@Exacerangutan
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:33 AM
in some ways, Vampires of Venice resonates a lot with that episode, but I think Eleven handles it better, and tries to save whatsherface rather than just doing his Wrath of the Time Lord thing
JingleBells
@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:33 AM
Agreed
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:34 AM
But there's also Vampire Guilt
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@weefolk
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:34 AM
because Four killed the remaining ones that ran away from the Eternal War
KrisKrampus
@Matrixrefugee
Wed, Feb 3, 2021 2:43 AM
/pets Ten/
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that's just making me want to play Rusty again