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[the holocaust] sometimes I just think about Anne Frank
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what I learned in school:
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Anne Frank hid in the attic during WW2 and it was a long and hard struggle
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but she survived to become an inspiring story of hope and the human spirit
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what I learned on Wikipedia like 15 years later:
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then she got arrested, sent to Auschwitz, and died there
mózhēngist
She died of unsanitary conditions in the camp.
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yeah
Niamh Vibes
Yeah
wedding rose??
Yeah, I remember learning she died in elementary school.
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just, nobody mentioned in all those dramatizations that were put in front of me
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that immediately after the big famous story, anne frank was killed by nazis
bitchin camaro
they taught you anne frank lived???
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they just didn't talk about it
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what happens after the ending
Niamh Vibes
I remember reading the diary during a baseball game with my folks and saying “I don’t think this is gonna end well”
bitchin camaro
the version of the book i read explicitly mentioned she had died
Niamh Vibes
And they laughed but like. I also didn’t know?
EsperBot
That's pretty fucking wild of them to do
EsperBot
Yeah same
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thinking back it's also possible that it was at least mentioned but not prominently enough for me to remember it
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but either way I spent a long ass time under the belief that anne frank won
bitchin camaro
like it was in an afterword bc obviously anne frank was not writing about her own death but
Niamh Vibes
Kinda brushed over a lot
bitchin camaro
i...what version were you reading? it was definitely not brushed over in my copy
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I have no idea this was like 20 years ago
Echo
Yeah, I remember my elementary school copy making it pretty clear.
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I guess this is now a plurk about my own unfathomable stupidity
EsperBot
I mean not necessarily
Echo
That, or specifically your teacher was just kind of bad at conveying information.
EsperBot
I think it's absolutely conceivable that it might have been presented to you in a bad way
Echo
I wish we lived in the world where younger Quinn was right, honestly.
pastel ranma
I mean no matter what most versions, especially those they give to kids, are heavily edited/take out bits they don't want you to see. So it's not a surprise some versions don't mention what happened to her after.
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i definitely didn't learn that until much later myself, yeah
oh i'm scary
I'm very willing to believe you had teachers who awkwardly sidestepped that part
oh i'm scary
I never read it in school at all
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I don't think I ever read the original actual diary itself
pastel ranma
Like her contemplating her feelings about other girls.
oh i'm scary
yeah that'd do it
oh i'm scary
being American is just comparing notes with friends from different states about which aspects of your K-12 education were totally fucked
bitchin camaro
^
pastel ranma
very true
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I also think a lot about the framing of my education on the civil rights movement as being like
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the war between Good Black, Martin Luther King Jr., and Evil Black, Malcom X
bitchin camaro
LMFAO SAME
Echo
OH YEAH, THAT ONE I GOT.
oh i'm scary
yup
pastel ranma
I wasn't taught about Malcolm X at all I had to learn about him as an adult.
bitchin camaro
"we liked MLK because he was nice to us. ignore all this socialist shit he said and also his real, justified anger beneath his unwavering exterior"
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pastel ranma
: same
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first I heard of Malcolm X was watching Fresh Prince of Bel Air when I was in middle school
oh i'm scary
when I say I didn't learn about Anne Frank in school I should add, for context
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to this day I'm shaky on whether or not MLK was assassinated by the government but the notion was obviously not even fielded back in the day
oh i'm scary
that between like fourth grade and high school graduation basically all of my history classes were Industrial Revolution Through World War II
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mine went as far as the cold war but otherwise same
pastel ranma
That was my first time hearing the name too
A Grinning DM
oh i'm scary
before that we got a little about the revolutionary and civil wars
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and at some point there was a World History that got into Napoleon a bit
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pastel ranma
: I thought "he must some rapper I haven't heard of"
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*be
yuri duty
school genuinely fed us the "malcolm x bad because violence, mlk good because nonviolence" shit when i was a kid. hearing the actual history in like, the past five years was perspective-altering
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same
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The Malcolm X fresh Prince thing also drives home how much the internet has changed things. I couldn't google "Malcolm X" back then, so I just shrugged my shoulders
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it wasn't like I was going to go to the Library to look him up
kaylin
guess who learned about the Japanese internment camps during WWII by accident! I'll give you a hint: it me
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THAT one i learned about pretty unflinchingly in school
RobotApocalypse
i also learned "mlk good, malcolm x bad" in school and had to learn about Malcolm X as an adult and realize i was lied to
RobotApocalypse
Malcolm X was fucking rad, actually
RobotApocalypse
we also learned Anne Frank died but did not read her actual diary - iirc we read a play about her instead of the diary itself, which honestly is preferable to me
RobotApocalypse
the fact that we make kids read this dead girl's diary that she thought no one would ever see but her is so uncomfortable to me
wedding rose??
Our social studies classes almost never got into the 20th century before high school. World War II was at the end of the curriculum, like nothing important had ever happened since, and it was always, always cut for time.
wedding rose??
My grade 11 history class picked up where grade 10 left off and went all the way to the present day, which was wild to someone used to starting over in Rome every year.
RobotApocalypse
yeah same experience here. but also, they always seemed to skip straight from the american revolution to the civil war to the great depression and WWII (with a passing mention that WWI happened, if only to explain why the Great Depression happened)
RobotApocalypse
i didn't even learn about the Trail of Tears until high school, which is wild considering how often history classes covered time periods on either side of when it happened
A Grinning DM
Well I always found it interesting/annoying about how world history only ever teaches history about places at specific times. Like Egypt is only ever covered in the ancient pyramid eras. Anyone here have any idea what Egypt was like in the Middle Ages or the Renaissance?
RobotApocalypse
sure don't have a clue!!
RobotApocalypse
i mean shit, like, there was a whole African front in both world wars that i didn't even fucking KNOW about until i looked up "afrikaans" cuz i kept seeing it as a language option and went "wtf is this even" and wound up getting the whole history of African colonization from there
Lightning Bolt
We were a bilingual school so we did have a separate class about the history of Taiwan
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Honestly I don't remember much about history class, but we used the American textbook
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I do remember the time we did a simulation game about the gold rush
RobotApocalypse
since i was in California though i did learn a lot about the CA gold rush and the transcontinental railroad and the chinese immigrant workers who built it
Lel
I didn't learn American history until I majored in history in college, and took special topic electives on things like the Vietnam War, Reconstruction and the two world wars from the European perspective
Lel
all of which every junior high and high school history class I'd had had completely skipped over every year
Lightning Bolt
Oh yeah we did learn a lot about the Chinese immigration/American dream
Lightning Bolt
We did a short film about it for class once