just had a big fight with Yahoo to try and gain remote (download rather than online) access to my emails now that they're stopping forwarding.

they make it stupidly hard to find the correct information.

had to search outside of Yahoo (ie Google) in order to get reference articles which were also outside of Yahoo to tell me what the POP3/SMTP and additional security settings were.

and now it's sending stuff (eg my test email) to me in duplicate - because they presumably haven't shut forwarding off yet after all.

Google is a lot like that too. Being able to use a mail client with Google is a right pain, and they have wording which is factually incorrect (and they know it). Lots of dark patterns out there.

not been attempting to access Google mail from a mail client but may have to do so eventually.