I hate how the whole anti vs proship discussion has become so radicalised on both sides that I'm getting yelled at for suggesting that fandom culture is not perfect and blameless

I don't think people are paedophiles for shipping Harry Potter characters but at some point fandom decided that absolutely all discussion of the text/characters should be through the lens of being horny for it and I don't know how to explain to people that that isn't a positive movement in terms of interpreting texts

(for the record - the Pure Soft Boyfriends/Girlfriends subculture in fandom is also sexual, but it's trying to make it clean rather than libidinal which is why it is so horrible. it satisfies nobody)

person: how dare you. fanfic is one of the few communities where women/LGBT people can be publicly horny like straight men
me: yes. but this can also result in women/LGBT people doing creepy things out of the same sexual entitlement that causes straight men to do creepy things
person: fanfic is just fiction! it's not real!

man I've seen it agreed widely that there's limits, like once in awhile a tweet will circulate reminding people not to do something cringe like "don't tag a character's voice actor when posting porn of the character"... so it's odd seeing people trying to tell you that limits are wrong

just this rhetorical flimsiness where fandom is a sexually permissive subculture when that is needed to win the argument, or a totally pointless activity with no bearing on reality as soon as I try to talk about the consequences of that?????

yeah, you get this tendency where instead of "everybody draws the line in different places" it gets taken to the extreme of "drawing a line ever is always wrong" or "anything that people are into sexually must always be okay," which...can go wrong or be taken advantage of by predators very easily

but this can also result in women/LGBT people doing creepy things out of the same sexual entitlement that causes straight men to do creepy things <- a very good point

a lot of people don't understand the way power works

that the power under patriarchy isn't spread equally everywhere

and that awful male behaviour isn't due to some inherent property of men, but just because they're the people who are privileged by society

create a parallel society you don't have to leave where women or lgbt people are in charge, and they are fully capable of being just as toxic in their subculture, even if it melts on exposure to the outside world

also since fandom is a part of society a lot of existing societal entitlement turns up in it

which is why top of the bullying heap are usually white, well-off straight women

i mean come on. it's not aboit boiling everyone down to their categories, but just understanding how groups of people become entitled and end up fracturing people's coccyxes with yaoi paddles