Shibepire
[work] just realized that friday the 13th was my cumulative 7 year anniversary at amazon...
Shibepire
which is just. ridiculous.
HEY LADY
that's many years
Shibepire
it's so many years
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granted like. there was a break in those many years, but I am still going to hit 5 years in my current stint next year
Shibepire
or no, wait. 6 years in my current stint next year
Hugh Following
That's many
Shibepire
the one good thing is it means in July of next year I'll start getting 5 weeks of vacation per year
Shibepire
or no wait
Shibepire
I was looking at the wrong policy
Shibepire
4 weeks per year
Shibepire
I guess California employees get 5 weeks, wtf
Shibepire
I want 5 weeks!!
HEY LADY
I also want five weeks. Heck.
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yeah 4 weeks is the maximum generally. sigh
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I passed my uhhhh 13th anniversary so
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SOMEHOW. YEARS PASS
Shibepire
somehow!!
Shibepire
also I feel like seattle campus should riot until we get 5 weeks too
wo ai ni ★
Dang
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We do at least get King County mandated sick days on top of the general sick/personal days everyone gets
Shibepire
it's true
no bones
part of me is crying with jealousy at the idea of having four weeks off (i get two) but the rest of me is like "those amazon jobs really put people through the wringer tho...)
Many mistakes
pls sir we would like four weeks off :-(
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I think it's 2 weeks at first, 3 weeks after... a year? two years?, 4 weeks for 6 years+
Shibepire
3 weeks after a year, yeah
Shibepire
but then you have to wait until 6 years to get any more
Shibepire
honestly, should try to get something pushed through washington legislature to mandate certain amounts of vacation
Shibepire
since I'm pretty sure that's how california got their 5 weeks
Hugh Following
4 weeks of vacation maximum is so stingy
Hugh Following
And yet I know it's better than many get
Hugh Following
Capitalism is a curse
Shibepire
capitalism is such a curse
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european mutuals watching this thread like "...y i k e s"
Hugh Following
Right. "oh how lucky we are in Seattle, we get both vacation and sick time SEPARATE" is..
A statement
no bones
theoretically i think it's possible to reach a point where you get 4 weeks' vacation at my job but...you have to stick with the company for 20 years to get there
no bones
(2 weeks for the first 5 years and then they'll give you one extra day for good behavior every year after that)
no bones
which is just to say, the time off situation is bad all over
nice guy goose
yeah I get 4 weeks after 5 years at my job BUT, my PTO is combined vacation and sick, soooooo
nice guy goose
wait no. I counted wrong, we get six and a half weeks (after 5 years). now I at least feel a little better about the combined PTO thing
nice guy goose
(we START with four weeks)
nice guy goose
combined pto still sucks though.
no bones
combined pto is still ass yeah
Many mistakes
it is, but so's split pto where the sick leave expires
Many mistakes
so many ways to force people to give up their accrued time!
nice guy goose
god THAT'S true
nice guy goose
that was my previous job!
nice guy goose
TERRA'S COMPANY HAS UNLIMITED PTO. and it legit feels so revolutionary and outlandish that I'm like /whispers should I even say that here. will the Capitalism Police come for them,
nice guy goose
mind her company has plenty of other Capitalism Flaws but
nice guy goose
unlimited PTO . . . I can't even imagine . . .
Shibepire
everyone should get unlimited pto
Shibepire
I'm just saying
nice guy goose
they should!!!
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Hugh Following : I MEAN THAT'S NOT QUITE WHAT IT IS, we have three categories. Vacation, Personal/Sick, King County-mandated sick time
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but also the amount of PTO doesn't matter if you never feel like you can take it which is the other Amazon/Big Tech problem
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There have been a few software companies experimenting with unlimited PTO and seeing that people actually take less of it because they feel guilty lol
Hugh Following
Yeah
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Hugh Following
Or even if not guilty just like, [when I have a defined number I know what I can take]
Hugh Following
"do whatever" is sometimes more constraining
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https://images.plurk.com/3RuqWpvww9JsCczgrdsqXY.png everyone please shame me
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(I should really take all of Thanksgiving week off...)
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that article also points out that with an unlimited PTO policy you don't have to pay out unused vacation when people quit so it saves the company money
nice guy goose
this makes sense, it's like, since I'm not at all this kind of employee it's hard for me to understand but I know so many people who are lol (including people at my workplace where we ended up having to make a new rule specifically because people kept accruing over 200 hours of PTO)
Shibepire
true. The not having to pay it out point is valid as well
Shibepire
anyway just give us all 6 weeks of vacation
nice guy goose
for me, a person who uses all of my PTO very quickly and usually in the format of taking a day off every 2-3 weeks or so for health reasons which means I never accrue enough to actually get A Vacation, the idea of unlimited PTO sounds like exactly what would benefit me specifically
nice guy goose
but I recognize that a lot of people are nothing like me and end up with hundreds of hours they can't actually use, and getting that paid out someday is the flipside of that,
nice guy goose
6 weeks of vacation . . . swoons
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Yeah I guess for me it's definitely not "I feel guilty taking vacation", more "if I take time off things are just more of a disaster to deal with when I come back so I only do it if I have something in particular planned and also I'm bad at planning things"
Hugh Following
nice guy goose : yeah chronic illness really takes a chunk out of your ability to ever actually have time off :/
Hugh Following
I usually use up all my time making up for MH related days
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tho I also have the flexibility to just not really work for a day if I feel sick so I also just don't have to log my days as religiously
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if I'm gonna be oncall or send emails over the weekend when we're coming up on important meetings then I can take some work days that are just a wash
nice guy goose
yeah and it's like . . . what kills me about it, SORRY FOR RAMBLING IN SOMEONE ELSE'S PLURK, BUT, what kills me about it is that really me taking one day every 2-3 weeks really does not negatively impact the company or my role at all, I am good enough at my job that working 14 days of every 15 is completely fine, AND
nice guy goose
I would be fine taking it unpaid even because being paid for 14 days out of every 15 also does not negatively affect my quality of life. but . . . we're not allowed to do that, and afaik that's standard in most companies, Lowe's was the same way
nice guy goose
I'm not allowed to just take an unpaid health day every three weeks if I have PTO. I have to use the PTO
nice guy goose
so, I can't save PTO
terravesty
I don't take less time, but I feel a lot less guilty about my sick time now that we're on unlimited PTO lol
terravesty
I actually forgot that being paid out of unused vacation time was a thing some companies do
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