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[dcst] Chapter 170
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Must be a holiday in Japan this week because we are two days early!
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Overall thoughts: this chapter already seems less messy
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Just...
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Anyway.
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Gen. Thank you.
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Someone has to be worried about this plan.
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BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A TERRIBLE PLAN
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'We're fleeing in this tiny boat while he chases us with ours?'
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a) terrible plan
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And 
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY FIX THE PERSEUS SO FAST
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY FIX THE PERSEUS SO FAST
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*b )
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I...I have questions about that.
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I really do.
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Also sure they used another boat as part of the repair so it's like sticking out of the front
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That's a design choice I guess
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I see they are also bringing two planes
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So good fucking job Senku, building an aircraft carrier for the enemy
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'Yep this is our plan.'
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Senku says confidently
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Like he didn't almost just die
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And also like this is a good idea
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Senku. Please. I think the bullet took what was left of your sanity.
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Where is Ryusui
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XD
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Those left behind at gunpoint, not at all surprising
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Even though they're like 'we have a peace treaty'
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I don't know why you thought they'd honour that
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And I actually think that Senku and team on the boat believed them too.
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Kinda naive kids
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Matsukaze trying to save Ginrou
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God. if this plan hinges on Ginrou we're all screwed
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'This is fine, if he dies we'll chuck him overboard, or he can be a hostage.'
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Stanley you seem like a fine upstanding person
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Then again, they have a hostage against you
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Oh wait, I don't think that's a boat in the front
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Looking at it, it's like
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I don't know how to describe that
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But they've set up guns
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Again. ......I......
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Timelines people
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LAST TIME THE PERSEUS WAS BROKEN
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That's all I'm saying
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Front? Blown up.
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I see that girl has not disappeared.
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Whatever her name is.
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But she let Senku and Ryusui go. Okay.
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LOL I laughed at the interrogation scene okay
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'if the plan hinges on Ginro we're all screwed' - IC for anyone to say, really
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including Ginro
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Bold of you to think Matsukaze knows where places are on the map. Hope they gave him a crash course 
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IFKR
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yeah like why would Matsukaze know anything about old earth geography
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Stanley threatening him causes Ginro to be like THEY ARE GOING TO SOUTH AMERICA
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So obviously
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This was always the plan (Called it)
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But I am betting everything else about the plan has gone pearshaped
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Gen: look I didn't want to rely on Ginro but needs must
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they could be actually just making this up as they go which you know
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not great
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Not a great plan, no
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So Chrome is excited about their venture, which I mean, fair but, guys I still have so many questions.
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So Xeno baits Senku here
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'Oh do you think that belongs to the one on the moon?'
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'Ah, you already knew that.'
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Yes, they've been in the know for awhile. What have you done about it Xeno? XD
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Xeno: We can get this weapon for ourselves.
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Senku: Not interested.
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I mean.
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This is every villain discussion so far in this series.
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Senku finds you all so boring XD
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So now they're gonna sit around and talk petrification beam stuff
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it's predictable at this point
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Gen probably has a bingo card drawn up
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Idk Senku, I wouldn't be that impressed with Xeno
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He didn't bother with revival fluid
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he could just be claiming to be impressed?
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I think you're a few steps ahead here
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like, flattering him to get him to cooperate with them more
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taking lessons from Gen
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I don't think so actually XD
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damn
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see that would've been clever
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'let's exchange everything we know so far'
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Which you know
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Gen: that leaves us no room to negotiate!!
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Idk what Xeno knows but considering, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not that much
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Gen, please, stop him
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Xeno: I build guns gud
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YEAH EXACTLY
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Xeno: I CAN RULE THIS EMPTY WORLD
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Xeno: also, planes
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Senku: /need to solve all the mysteries/
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actually I could see them using the planes
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it'd help with large fields of crops
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I mean plane technology is great.
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Once they built the hot air balloon, they sure used it a lot in the KoS
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yeah that's a thing they could ... figure out how to do themselves, screw xeno
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I don't think it's that Senku can't build that technology
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look, story, I'm barely accepting that you're letting mr spear stabby and mr gonna take all the wives as my bitches as allies
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But he's masterminding it alone, Xeno has a team of modern people who all know what he's going for
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yeah that's true
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Senku for a big chunk of the story, was on his own there
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And they're dealing with different climates and situations
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six months 8'D
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yeah
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He's also got a bigger population
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Senku was alone driving technology advancements that other modern people wouldn't know for longer than that. But yes.
Senku was alone driving technology advancements that other modern people wouldn't know for longer than that. But yes.
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Which means he has other concerns such as keeping them alive to worry about
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like, fine
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they need to ally with Xeno for all the food. maybe.
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(definitely)
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but they don't need xeno for his science
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They need the corn for sure XD
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If he was a trustworthy person maybe
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and he is not
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he is a manipulative creepy dick
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But he's more the kind of person who's just waiting to take over
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As soon as his boyfriend comes and takes out Senku
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do you willingly recruit a starscream if you know he's a starscream
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Because you know that's what Stanley wants. I mean.
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His target isn't dead
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XD
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That's offensive
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Gen: I'm just sitting on MANY CONCERNS my friends
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THERE ARE SO MANY CONCERNS
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Also Ryusui up on the top there navigating
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Come inside and tell Senku he's crazy please
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No translator's notes yet but
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I'd be interested to see
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hm.
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yeah
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Just because they're interesting
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there might be more we're missing I guess but
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yeah
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/how I have felt for the past five chapters/
✶ȶօʀǟʟʏռɖ✶
you say this chapter is less messy, I find it just as messy and confussing though
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Well...less messy than the last few, but that is not a high bar to clear
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It's not particularly good in comparison
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This arc has gone so far off the rails
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yeah and I'm side-eying everything so much with all this
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because no matter how I look at it this isn't a "situation" that can be sustained for long
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There's nothing sustainable about the situation
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They're in the worst possible position
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the whole "we're going to avoid them while rushing to our destination" is already a "that's not going to work"
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As the translator pointed out, if they are headed for the middle of South America, he's like maybe they'll cross the Andes
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And I'm like
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yeah... it is SOMETHING when having 97% of your people turned into stone actually isn't as bad of a situation as they are right now
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There is no way that is a good plan
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nothing about any of this since the 2 weeks face-off thing has been a good plan
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I'm not really seeing what kind of good outcome they can have here
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Also ignoring the problem is not going to make it go away
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or even just a bad plan, it has all been terrible and honestly I even wonder if it's a plan at all and they aren't just improvising as they go because IT SURE FEELS THAT WAY
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They have to be improvising as they go
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But they're usually so much better than this
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There were ways some of the last few chapters could have been executed well, or at least filled the plotholes
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But being on the run from Stanley is just a bad plan all around
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The petrification in the last arc - they knew how to handle that so it was rather solid
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This, it's like, 'well we're outmatched so we'll ignore the problem'
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and hope it goes away on its own
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I am pretty sure that that is not going to happen
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which short of a hurricane popping up and destroying the perseus and drowning them, it's not going to happen
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Okay but what hurricane is going to hit the Perseus and not their little ship and kill them too
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I mean come on
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The Perseus has to be faster right?
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Like how much time do they think they are buying here?
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Also - how long did they take to repair that?
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what annoys me the most is that up until now chapters always felt like they set up things for the next and such but the last 3-4 chapters I feel like I'm looking at someone splashing in the pool unable to do anything but keep themselves afloat
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And another thing the TN pointed out, even if Ginro told them South America, how the hell do they know what he said?
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Yes, that is what it feels like
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yeah
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And I mean, if that's how the characters feel, kudos in some ways but it looks like they are semi-confident this is a good idea
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And I can tell them IT IS A HORRIBLE IDEA
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gotta love how the language barrier is a thing when the author remembers it and otherwise it's not
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I had forgotten that until I read that in the notes and I was like oh yeah, yet another thing wrong with that scene
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Which I was complaining about anyway
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Also Ginro, when did you get a geography lesson?
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I mean, he couldn't be bothered to learn to read or write
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I admit I'm on the edge of letting the series shimmer for a few weeks and then look back at it but... it has been 160+ chapters of being good, I still have hope
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my guess is that Ginro just knows "South America" but has no idea where that is, he just heard it, but we're still at HOW DID THEY UNDERSTAND HIM
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When it started diverting into whatever this is, I was kind of semi-hopeful because of that, because the other arcs are very very solid
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There is no way they don't reach another conflict point before they reach South America, or after they make landfall there at the latest
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They're not going to chase them all over the world, they're not going to need oto
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*to
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They're not going to be able to build things on that little yacht
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I want to think that the issue is simply the the author unconsciously backed himself to a corner with this arc and now is scrambling to try to recover but... look if you've backed yourself into a corner so badly, a freaking accident in the fabric that exploded and killed Xeno and most of his people would have been a better way to solve it than... this
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And the second we're relying on Senku's speed to get people anywhere on foot, good luck.
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because none of this feels like you're getting out of that corner anytime soon
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Senku's speed to get himself anywhere on foot sucks
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I think they did indeed do that, he's backed himself into a corner and he's desperately trying to find the way out
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unless they have Taiju or someone else give Senku a piggyback ride XD
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LOL Yeah, but is Senku going to let him do that XD
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I adore him, but physical skills are not in his skillset
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honestly I think this corner has proved that Senku shouldn't be allowed to do shit for a while
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including complaining
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It's less a problem with the character, except for the fact he probably shouldn't be up and running around, because it certainly seems like you know, maybe 2-3 days ago we were draining blood out of his lungs
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But sure he's fine
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But he's making some pretty stupid decisions but that reads more like the author trying to dig himself out of the hole
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what worries me the most of this backed into a corner thing is that... I love the series and I'm having issues following it now and even keeping honest interest in what's happening, I hope it's just me because otherwise that shit is going to hurt the series' ratings and that's bad
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Senku has proven in the past to be a brilliant strategist
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Well here I was thinking
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Could you imagine trying to animate this arc?
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You'd have jump cuts everywhere
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/then a wizard did it/
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tbh I would fillerize it to infinite and beyond... or downright NOT animate it
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They would have to add scenes to fix the plot holes if they were going to animate this down the line
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So far it hasn't affected the ratings, but that's because this arc isn't on store shelves yet
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And Jump people buy the magazines for any and all of the series' in it so if it's being received poorly, they won't know for awhile
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I think if they can get out of this corner, he'd probably be fine
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The idea of going to South America next was all fine and good
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Very logical
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They can't just leave the last arc unfinished before doing that though
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I thought all magazines had a little survey people can fill that included basically a "rate the series in this magazine"
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I think they do, but I think they're not every issue? That's a good question
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A bad arc might not be enough to sink a series though, but it's hard to say. It's a very inopportune time for this to have a bad arc though, considering it's picking up steam
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well the way the survey thing was presented it sure felt as if a bad arc COULD very well sink a series
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It probably could, I just can't think of an example offhand of that happening. I'm sure it does though.
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and honestly I don't think the shonen crowd is the best suited for very long waits for the arc to get good again and such, it has answered well at times but...
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well I remember Bleach for example that had managed to keep good ratings up until the last arc where it began to plummel more and more
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Yeah, I'm not sure if Bleach got cancelled or people just hated the last arc.
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I didn't read it that far so I couldn't guess
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Bleach got cancelled
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A cancellation would certainly suck
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including a "finish this in x chapters"
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another series I remember that got a weaker arc compared to the rest and got cancelled was Katekyo Hitman Reborn though that one had MORE than the 3-4 chapters Bleach was given to finish itself
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it was still very obvious the jump in pace
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......This week's rankings it was in 1st pace XD
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Weekly Shonen Jump Ranking #46 (October 17, 2020)
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...
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Apparently someone keeps track of these things
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I don't understand Japan
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I'm also not surprised to see Chainsaw Man dropping a bit though, that one we agree clearly
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And the week before it wasn't ranked, but the week before that it was 3rd
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well! guess cancellation really isn't a threat
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So it looks like they don't all get ranked every week?
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But that's still so weird Japan
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Why are you so weird XD
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god I hope he writes himself out of that corner soon
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and that Stanley and Xeno die
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like
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Me too, because I really love this series so xD
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I'm starting to seriously NOT LIKE those characters
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I don't know how they can manage Xeno
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At all
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He's completely unmanageable
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so even if magically there was a way to manage them
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I don't want it
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Well I don't actually like either one of them either
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The fandom doesn't agree, the fandom seems to love them but
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I'm not a fan at all