LiberBEARian
[family shit] .-. she texted me first!!
LiberBEARian
MiL: I love you. Let's agree to disagree on the whole abortion issue.
Me: HOW ABOUT I TELL YOU HOW I'M SCARED OF DYING BECAUSE I COME FROM A FAMILY OF HIGH RISK PREGNANCIES.
LiberBEARian
/powers off phone. can't do this right now, fuck
Ptriciadactyl
uuuuugh
Ptriciadactyl
and if she says "oh, but in that case abortion would be allowed" that still leaves the concern of "and what if I die while the doctors and government debate whether it's medical necessary?"
LiberBEARian
I don't want to tell her because it's none of her business but my mom had an abortion before she had my brother and me. She knows people who had this done. She has no clue.
Ptriciadactyl
yeah, it's none of her business but it's definitely hard not to say "you know someone who needed to make that decision and I don't want you saying hurtful things to my mother."
Ptriciadactyl
"or to other women who have needed to do this"
LiberBEARian
legit yeah
spooky queer
nope nope nope
LiberBEARian
I shut my phone off after answering. I'm at work and I can't afford to be distracted in a long-ass debate right now
spooky queer
good
LiberBEARian
I will say one thing about my mom. She is VERY strong about her convictions
LiberBEARian
I remember being a kid and some canvasser came to the door and was asking my mom all these questions about how she felt about issue 1, issue 2, etc
LiberBEARian
Mom cut him off and went "Does your candidate support abortion?" "Well, it's complicated-" "No, it's not. It's a yes or no question. I'm a one-issue independent."
LiberBEARian
She was looking over at Sergio the other day and was like "How do you feel about abortion?" and Sergio was like "Uh, well, I'm a guy, so I don't think I have a stake in this race." And mom was like "good son."
spooky queer
(LOL)
big ol metaphor
lmfao
big ol metaphor
no uterus no opinion
LiberBEARian
haha NOPE I'm done.
LiberBEARian
Nope.
LiberBEARian
Not even.
LiberBEARian
Opened my phone. Read the line "If a baby is killing its mother, is it the baby's fault?? Why should the adult live and the baby died?" and closed phone again.
LiberBEARian
This is the same person who didn't want me to register as an organ donor because if an EMT saw it and I was in an accident they wouldn't save me, FYI.
LiberBEARian
Man, I am. Really upset right now.
Mad Larkin
oh, that's just... yeah, I'd probably delete that conversation and pretend I didn't see it
skipthedemon
Yiiiiikes
spooky queer
nope
spooky queer
i would legitimately just be like i cannot have this conversation with you
spooky queer
and that’s that
LiberBEARian
I'm very glad to know that my future mother in law sees me as a baby vessel and if it killed me, she'd be okay with that if it meant I didn't have access to safe abortions. Lemme tell you. It's an amazing feeling.
spooky queer
Mad Larkin
^^^
LiberBEARian
She keeps coming in with the "I love you"s and the "I care about you"s. But apparently not enough to let me go through a safe medical procedure to save my life. Damn. At least she's consistent.
LiberBEARian
\o/ amazing conversation to have a month before the wedding!
Mad Larkin
yeah, I do not get that disconnect
Mad Larkin
"I love you! but if you were ever pregnant and had your life threatened, you mean less that the fetus! But I love you!" Yeah, sure, ok
spooky queer
fortunately if you need an abortion she doesn’t get to decide for you
Ptriciadactyl
she just LEGITIMATELY SAID SHE'D RATHER YOU DIE than get an abortion
Ptriciadactyl
what the fuck
Ptriciadactyl
I'm so mad
LiberBEARian
yes I am very tired.
LiberBEARian
But at least she spelled out what I expected. Just really hurts to hear her say it.
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
jfc, i'm so sorry :-(
LiberBEARian
Note to self: if ever pregnant, do not let her in delivery room.
LiberBEARian
<3 thanks. I am still v. shaken
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
i'm really glad that sergio has a good head on his shoulders about it ;;
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
and yeah that's completely understandable
spooky queer
also maybe don't tell your mom that conversation happened
spooky queer
she might flip a table
LiberBEARian
Yeah. I don't even know if I wanna tell Sergio. I'm very upset, but I don't want to drive a wedge between him and his mom.
spooky queer
/hugs
Un(t)sundered
yikes
LiberBEARian
/hugs
Un(t)sundered
and yeah, it might be best to not mention it to Sergio
undrwo
I weirdly had the opposite reaction.
spooky queer
you know, until it comes up at a family dinner...
Ptriciadactyl
yeah, I was feeling like "Sergio needs to know your wishes before you have kids together"
LiberBEARian
I'll check in with mental health person. Therapy Thursdays ftw
undrwo
If it were me I think I'd show him the messages with a serving of 'please set some boundaries with your mother re texting me about choice'
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
skipthedemon
I dunno, the maybe not wanting to let her in the delivery room in the event of kids issues seems better sooner rather than later. Like, exactly the sort of thing that should be discussed before tying the knot.
LiberBEARian
He already said something along the lines of "I really need to talk to my mom" but I'm getting the sense that she'd just shout him down
Ptriciadactyl
yeah, boundary setting plus talking to Sergio just in the context of... if he's your husband, he needs to be ready to back up your choices down the line
LiberBEARian
Oh yeah, we've had these discussions
Ptriciadactyl
good
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
or at least let him know 'hey this is a thing that's happening, i'm not going to discuss this issue with her and will disengage if it comes up.'
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
or maybe she'd be more likely to listen to him? idk
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
i'm just thinking she might bring it up to him, possibly to try and get him to convince you
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
so cluing him in earlier rather than later might be good
LiberBEARian
Like, I don't think either of us knew until today how much shit was going down. I know early in our relationship I was all "oh god he's freaking out at the sight of blood, how's it gonna be when we have kids." but the way he takes care of the cat while I'm eye-deep in master's degree and everything makes me feel so much better about his goofy dad skills.
LiberBEARian
Weirdly, she's actually been very respectful about not trying to convince us about choices
spooky queer
until you know, now
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
^ yeah
LiberBEARian
She's very "we both have opinions and I think that's wonderful!"
LiberBEARian
yeah
LiberBEARian
Sergio's actually been very quiet on what he believes to his parents; his brother's the more outspoken and they got into some bizarre fight so I think he's used to being treated as the Favorite
LiberBEARian
they = his brother with his mom
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
also like … this isn't a difference of opinion, this is a matter of you having the right to make a choice about your ability to live. and if she can't see that, she has no right to engage with you on the topic, imo
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
so fuck her texting you first basically
LiberBEARian
Honestly there's a whole insane family history stemming back 30 years when two 18 year olds decided to get married against their parents' permission and then move in with them so good luck there.
LiberBEARian
yeeep
LiberBEARian
Like, I weirdly feel bad for her at the same time that I'm upset with her. I know she was abused all through her childhood and it got worse when she hit adulthood and had to live with her very disapproving MIL. But I also don't want to really. talk to her anymore.
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
you could draw a hard line and say 'you are dismissing my right to live. i am not going to debate it with you. don't bring this topic up with me again' if you want
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
and then just. don't engage with her on it anymore, bc what she's saying is actively harmful to you
ᴋɪꜱꜱɴᴀᴘᴘᴇʀₒ
but that doesn't work in every situation and idk if it'd be the right move here
Jay
definitely talk to your therapist about it, but I think this is probably something Sergio needs to be clued in on sooner rather than later, ie: the extreme degree to which his mother has actually disrespected your life, not just your potential choice. Don't want it to ever come to an "I NEVER SAID THAT" point a few years down the line
LiberBEARian
Yeah. I'm taking off tomorrow anyway because I need to fuss around with the network and write some more for school
LiberBEARian
/face pull
LiberBEARian
Mom got home. I came downstairs and made it a half hour before she asked me what was wrong and I burst into tears.
LiberBEARian
She hugged me and promised me that if any bullshit happens she will be there to shut it down, and we agreed not to tell Sergio because all it would do would be to upset him, and I was already upset
LiberBEARian
I don't know if it's mom intuition or what but being hugged by her really helped
spooky queer
oh noooo
spooky queer
i'm glad i'm glad you got a hug
LiberBEARian
yeah she was like "she is entitled to her opinion but her opinion is wrong and if your life was threatened I would drive you to Canada myself if that's what it took."
LiberBEARian
which made me cry harder. .-.
LiberBEARian
On Yom Kippur of all days when I'm already feeling woozy and vulnerable.
Themme Fatale
Waaaaaaaah :-( I'm so sorry, your mum is really lovely, and like... I will never. I will never get people on the other side of the fence on this. I can understand people who are like: "I don't think I could personally have an abortion, but I can't make that call for other people,"
Themme Fatale
but I can't understand anyone who like... think that we don't deserve bodily autonomy :-( It's a horrible horrible belief for her to hold, and I wish she hadn't said that to you.
Themme Fatale
Lots of love <3
LiberBEARian
<3 thanks conway. I'm still very tired and upset and trying to write a paper which is amazing
LiberBEARian
So last night Mom actually talked to me a little bit about the abortion she had. She wasn't in her 20s like I originally thought; she was in her 30s and already married to my dad. It was just weird timing and they weren't ready for a kid yet. And a year later I was born.
LiberBEARian
So she was like "I don't regret it. I mean. It's like regretting a colonoscopy. Yes it sucks. It's a medical surgery, nobody's getting it done for fun. You could have been 32 instead of 31, that's basically how I see it.
LiberBEARian
I'm, what did she call it, a murderer of convenience. So's your dad. We're going to hell, you especially because I made you eat a piece of chocolate when you were upset on Yom Kippur. I'm so sorry she upset you with her ignorant-ass opinion. But the nice thing is that you can CHOOSE to ignore her."
LiberBEARian
and then I deleted facebook and hit the gym, etc.
chris 🧸
what a good mom
Themme Fatale
fucking
Themme Fatale
ten out of ten mum!!!
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