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I am very curious about this. I have seen it several times now. Why is it with donghua, I see what should be a radish translated as carrot.
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That is clearly Daikon
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not a carrot.
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I'm just so confused over it
しゅっぱい
because 
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i mean, they're... similar, i suppose
yeetaflare
I think carrot is basically red radish?
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i figure it's a thing like blue/green in japanese
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ahs o it can be either carrot or radish.
yeetaflare
this is a phenomenon that also happens in French, actually
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I wondered if it was because they are sort of similarly long with green bits out the top
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there's another root vegetable that's called a 'color' carrot, I don't remmeber which in some dialects
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i think it's beetroot too, some people call it red carrot instead of beetroot
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I love how weird language is.
yeetaflare
my grandma used to say that, i think
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I decided to watch Da li Si Rizhi and there's issues with radishes, but they kept saying carrots and it was a bit confusing.
yeetaflare
(we don't say this colloquially in my area so I always had a moment of 'wait, what?' when she talked of red carrot dalad and came back with beetroot
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I feel like MDZS Donghua has the same issue with the farming
yeetaflare
I think they just use 'luo bo' to talk about the vegs, so it's sort of
yeetaflare
in the air
yeetaflare
which one is meant depending on context
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Maybe
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though, looking at it it's very clear
しゅっぱい
as a language thing, it makes sense. as a translation, it's still confusing and kind of wrong. i mean, if you see the one thing and call it another...
yeetaflare
(altho I remember someone being like 'what do you mean potatoes, where did you get the potatoes from who discovered america)
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I remember someone telling me Wei Wuxian doesn't like carrots and I was like "I thought it was radishes."
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that feels like hitting up google translate and not checking
yeetaflare
but then I figured it might be some sort of sweet potato sicne there's asian varieties
kikibug13
yeah it's the same word
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yeah they're not the best
yeetaflare
and yeah, in visual media, it's weirder if the subs say one thing and the image is another
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in this shows case they are english subtitles, but the show isn't really for international viewing as far as I can tell.
yeetaflare
on Viki, you can tell the translators do their best, but sometimes they translate something one way, and then in later episodes more context comes in so they change the translation, but often don't go back to correct earlier versions
yeetaflare
so certain things suddenly change names
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oh yeah, that's hard when you don't know the context later
yeetaflare
the translation teams work hard, tho, this new show i'm watching already has subs in like five different languages
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I've seen manga do that before.
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heh
yeetaflare
yeah, ut's hard when you start translating but you haven't seen the whole thing (because it's not available yet
yeetaflare
and then new context comes in and you're like 'noooooooo'
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sob
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translating is absurdly hard, much respect to the people who do it. but that is also why the outright wrong translations make you go ??? extra hard
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i guess we're spoiled enough to not be used to that kind of negligence lmao
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yeah
queen (temp.)
because luo buo is technically not a radish, not a carrot, not a turnip and also not exactly a daikon
queen (temp.)
in the same way that bai cai is only scientifically related to a cabbage
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Makes sense
queen (temp.)
I think it belongs to its own scientific group more closely related to radishes
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maybe just leave it as Luo Buo?
queen (temp.)
but in culinary use it is used a lot more like carrots especially with meat to soak up broth and juices
queen (temp.)
that might be best, haha
queen (temp.)
also historically asian menus and grocery stores usually translated it as 'turnips' so there you go
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looking it up it's a winter radish
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huh
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in america it is known as oil seed radish and is not generally used for stuff to do with farming and not consumption
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though is used as animal feed a lot
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though, when used for culinary reasons the word daikon borrowed from Japanese is usually used.
queen (temp.)
yeah. but again. that's the cultivator group. because this crop wasn't naturally occurring in the Western world the specific species native there's a lot less variety in the names
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yeah
queen (temp.)
yeah because it's the most well known to everyone else is probably the reason
queen (temp.)
if I said luo buo people are unlikely to know what I mean
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This is true
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I would have to look it up
queen (temp.)
but that presents an interesting challenge for translators
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though, I do know what daikon is.
queen (temp.)
because having a Chinese character in a period piece say 'daikon' is dumb but so is having them say 'Chinese winter radish' is also a hit odd
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carrot is strange in english.
queen (temp.)
but carrot is a new one lol
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though these subtitles are already strange
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they've used shougun and seiza
queen (temp.)
but yeah. like Italian cucumber and English cucumber? two different things. and Italian eggplant and Chinese eggplant look different
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they are both different to american eggplant too
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though, I think Italian and american are similar shape but Italian is smaller.
queen (temp.)
...actually eggplants are a good example
queen (temp.)
it's basically the same. all winter radishes are similar but each region has slight variations
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and I would never want a cucumber sandwich with none English cucumbers.
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yeah
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regional differences
queen (temp.)
just wait till we get into Chinese squashes......there is something I have dubbed the Chinese zucchini for convenience sake
queen (temp.)
because it is shaped like a zucchini and probably part of the same fruit classification.....but is most certainly not a zucchini
queen (temp.)
...I mean. I would probably eat an italian cucumber sandwich. but it wouldn't be the same
queen (temp.)
ANYWAY SORRY I TALK SO MUCH. I really love food
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I'm just imagining the cucumbers I see at the super market and ithey are too watery
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No wories!
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I think it's fun
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and really, I feel different types of food should be talked about more
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there's so many good things out there that are underappreciated.
queen (temp.)
anyway. the carrot thing is, I suspect that carrots were probably something imported at some point in history so it was called red luo bo. or at least luo bo came first so I can understand the translation nightmare
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I can sort of see it, like, they sort of look similar in a way
queen (temp.)
the italian cucumbers we get here are sort of like little melons that tasts halfway between a cucumber and a zucchini
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I haven't really eaten english ones in a while, but I remember they were dense
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and I did not understand cucumber sandwiches till I had eaten one
queen (temp.)
I think the local variety we have are called field cucumbers. and they only taste good if you get them harvested early...
queen (temp.)
anyway now I'm reading up on plant classifications and it seems like the winter radish species all being classified under the genus for radishes is a more recentish thing ( cannot find a year) and there seems to still be some debage
queen (temp.)
*debate
queen (temp.)
because radishes grow rapidly and are harvested in spring
queen (temp.)
but these Asian "radish" varieties have longer growing seasons and are harvested closer to winter, I think?
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it looks like it
queen (temp.)
but they are a part of the same family which is determined by flower type which also includes brocolli, cauliflower and turnips and loads of others
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I think I read "radish" is mostly used in how you would prepare or eat it, because turnips in western cooking are prepared differently or something.
queen (temp.)
........oh. is this why it had been called a turnip at some point? was it reclassified???
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it includes brocolli? that's cool.
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I know brocoli has roots back to musterd.
queen (temp.)
because I always assumed...they looked alike or were cooked similarly until I actually cooked with a turnip
queen (temp.)
and I was like......isn't this basically a potato!?
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if I think about it, turnips are treated a lot like potatos.
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or, potatos are treated like turnips.
queen (temp.)
the order contains mustards and cabbages!
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they are! I was really surprised the first time!
queen (temp.)
because I figured it would be like how all eggplants are a bit similar in texture and tastes. so I assume that turnip would be a similar texture to luo buo
queen (temp.)
it was not, haha
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lol yeah
queen (temp.)
anyway. translating food is always tricky
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I think it is a similar texture to radishes, but those are spicey
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it really is
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and depending on where you live
queen (temp.)
luo buo is a little spicy when raw actually
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and which language you're translating to.
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I feel like radishes are different though
queen (temp.)
but we usually cook it to death in some kind of broth or brothy meat dish
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But, I also don't know when the last time I have eaten a raw one of either
queen (temp.)
or steam it into little cakes!
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and I'm pretty sure I've only eaten the Japanese veriety.
queen (temp.)
we had some in salads when we grew them!
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I mostly don't buy them because they're too big
queen (temp.)
the Japanese variety is sweeter also cannot be cooked as long, I think?
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I have no idea what I would do with that much of a vegetable.
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still good in nabe though
queen (temp.)
HAHA we cut these things in huge chunks to go in a stew or a huge pot of meat
yeetaflare
the radishes we eat raw here are the small red and white ones
絕世黃瓜
that's what I was thinking of the little red and white ones
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I'm just one person
queen (temp.)
chinese turnip cakes are great! they use a lot of the radish and refridgerates well
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with limited space
yeetaflare
Daikon can be eaten raw too, often grated, I think but otherwise, yes, it tends ot be put into stew a bit like potato
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so my cooking is limited orz
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I like grated daikon
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and pickled
yeetaflare
pickled daikon is delish
queen (temp.)
actually turnip dishes just refridgerate well in general and can be eaten the next day
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if I had a real frige I would orz
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/has what ammounts to a dorm frige.
queen (temp.)
oh but also let me also say. while carrots are red luo buo we also have another thing called green luo buo
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I've seen those
queen (temp.)
which I have no idea what it is
queen (temp.)
but it is tastes a little bit like a carrot and a luo buo but not like either of them at the same time
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plants are wild.
queen (temp.)
it's a bit like apples too I guess? I throw around terms like ambrosia, macintosh and golden delicious and people around here usually know I'm talking about apples
queen (temp.)
but I know where my parents are from they're like red apples green apples yellow apples
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those are all different breeds of apples.
queen (temp.)
yeah.
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and then there's crab apples that don't deserve to be called apples.
queen (temp.)
in the end daikon and luo buo are probably just different breeds of the same speciez??? classification is a weird thing and supermarkets can't even understand what fruits and vegetables really are and changed their definition
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I think it's mostly just different regions of the same vegetable
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because Japan got it from China anyway
queen (temp.)
and this is why I can never be a translator because I'd turn everything into a huge footnote
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lol
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I love foot notes
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I love having things explained to me
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especially on stuff that's almost impossible to look up on your own.
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....
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I should go to bed though
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x.x