海賊の王
[USPOL] Kamala Harris is Biden's VP pick and I am...conflicted.
海賊の王
I am going to vote Dem regardless because I know our system is not in a position to viably support a third party choice at this time and I am not here to have Trump get a second term.
海賊の王
However Kamala Harris has a problematic history on many fronts including: incarceration (supported it for truancy cases as an example), police policy in general, and LGBTQ+ issues.
海賊の王
And I am just...so tired.
海賊の王
I just feel like there were and are better choices for VP, and that picking Kamala is a move to court centrist and right-centrist voters. That's all this campaign has been and that's all it was back in 2016 too.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I..do think she's at least a better choice than Susan Rice. I mean it's two bad choices but she wasn't he worst candidate which.......is not saying much
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
he really should have gone with a progressive but
海賊の王
I just...her stances she's had with trans rights makes me mad. but Susan Rice would have made me just as, if not more, disappointed.
🦎 ᴘʀᴏᴘᴀɢᴀɴᴅᴀ
someone posted this in their plurk and i feel this sums it up for me: https://images.plurk.com/5uCAliOqXQar2pfVtAkYLN.jpg
海賊の王
I wanted a progressive but I knew we weren't getting that from establishment politics that look blindly at all the anger in the streets and think business as normal was going to work 🙃🙃🙃
🦎 ᴘʀᴏᴘᴀɢᴀɴᴅᴀ
i have issues with both of them and they should ABSOLUTELY be addressed, but they are still better than what we have now
🦎 ᴘʀᴏᴘᴀɢᴀɴᴅᴀ
and i know that in this country and in this time i will rarely (IF EVER) find a candidate that really does what i would like to see
海賊の王
oh absolutely! miles above what we have now. but goddamn are there problems.
🦎 ᴘʀᴏᴘᴀɢᴀɴᴅᴀ
yeah, Harris was a frontrunner for me early on! but the more i looked into her stuff the more i pulled back
🦎 ᴘʀᴏᴘᴀɢᴀɴᴅᴀ
i would still love to see her fight Pence though
海賊の王
I just...I wanted Warren. this whole race and ticket, I wanted Warren. I'm not going to pretend I didn't.
海賊の王
I would pay to see anyone fight Pence at this point.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I honestly think that warren would have done more for biden's ticket than harris or rice
海賊の王
thank you
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
and i know optics wise he wanted a poc and like i want a poc too but when it comes to actually reaching progressives a white progressive is better
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
is better than a ...centrist establish democrat omg that reads terribly
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I HOPE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
Basically BERNIE SANDERS IS BETTER ON RACE ISSUES THAN KAMALA FUCKING HARRIS
海賊の王
I know exactly what you mean, you're cool.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
but they are pretty much on the same level when it comes to policies which sucks because this means she won't actually push him
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
no matter what with biden as the nom the vp choice was not going to be great
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
which is prob why he picked her
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I had a little hope at first lol
海賊の王
look. I had to be an optimistic shithole until the choice came through. now I can be the realist.
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
harris was def the "safest" he could go considering warren is "too liberal" plus she's a super easy target for republican smear campaigns thanks to /gestures at the native american stuff
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
honestly wish he hadn't stuck on it being a woman and booker might have come out on top and he's...better than rice and harris... but still centrist enough for biden's ego
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
kamala just also alienates a group of people he already is having trouble reaching when biden is an appeal for centrist/right dems
海賊の王
it's a pity she was likely an easy target because ugh the detail in her plans
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
i'm sure there are better female candidates he could have gotten but he was obviously going to go for a name that could boost him as opposed to someone people didn't know.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
susan fucking abrahms
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
she would put a boot up his ass about voting rights
space witch
I wanted Warren, but I have no energy left for the discourse. We need them to win it so we're gonna have to suck it up and address her problems once she's in office and press her to be better.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
yeah like she literally can't be worse than trump
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
and pence
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
yeah i'm tired
海賊の王
same.
海賊の王
like I said, I'm voting Dem, that isn't changing. I just...needed to be disappointed first
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
i'm hoping they win not because i think they're genuinely going to be good for the country but we have slim pickings and i'm tired of trump so so much.
we just need to keep up with this revolution & continue to push for change and a better government
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
yeah it's a mood
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
i mean my disappointment was felt when sanders was officially off the table. i'd have wanted it to have been him or warren & i'd have felt a Bit Better
☼ zinnia
So... I’m tired too, but I can’t say I’m thrilled that the first thing we’re discussing is her record on police brutality, KNOWING Kamala is a black woman and had an uphill battle to get where she is. I would’ve loved Abrams, personally speaking, but I have to acknowledge the name recognition and the amount of thought that was probably put into this choice
海賊の王
I would like to have someone in office that is at least competent and not courting our enemies while pushing out our allies please and thank you
☼ zinnia
Optics wise, I think there’s a valuable conversation in her track record... but I can’t say it sits well with me that it’s the first thing people(in general) jump to :/
SAWAYAMA!
^ same
海賊の王
☼ zinnia I'm honestly more concerned with her record on supporting incarceration for truancy cases, because I know the history on police action and policy is more nuanced than I have a right to speak on
☼ zinnia
Crystal: why can’t we wait and see? Kamala was the first person to basically call Biden out in the debates, IIIRC– and we as a collective have the power to call Congress (house and senate) to hopefully mitigate the problems we see
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
I think people's actions in the past are a fair thing to jump to especially since she hasn't admitted any fault in her past behaviors and choices.
☼ zinnia
Vote Progressive down ticket. Volunteer at the polls. Talk to local reps.
☼ zinnia
poetanarchy: considering the alternative, I’m way more concerned that Kamala is getting more scrunity than her white counterparts. The discussion is valuable. The discussion is also not sitting right for multiple reasons.
ᴏᴋᴀʀᴜɴ 👾
If you say so.
海賊の王
I'm not saying we can't, fundamentally, see what comes of. It is a concern I will have though regardless due to the effects I see of that record and policies related to it in the communities I serve. Questioning those positions and seeing where they may have shifted in their stance is a necessary provision to take on matters of concern re:records.
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
i think it is important to discuss her history as a cop though like. tbh the people scrutinizing her are people who've been highly scrutinizing most if not all the candidates.
海賊の王
Which is while I appaulded Kamala for pushing back on Biden in the primary debates while also questioning her record. I feel it is our due diligence to question matters of record for all candidates.
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
there's no denying there is misogynoir in the mix but bringing up her history as a DA is still important esp with the movements against police brutality & defunding the police
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
both things can be true
𝚜𝚔𝚎𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚗 𝚜𝚊𝚖𝚒𝚒💀
it's the first thing people in general jump to because thats what a lot of people especially in her district know her for
海賊の王
I have done my best to be critical of all candidates, and my questioning of her is purely from the stance that she is now our VP candidate and thus reexamining her record and positions. Not to mention with the current unrest re: police, those policies and stances are relevant to the over all discourse.
海賊の王
And regarding police actions, brutality, and BLM, the wait and see stance has...been par for the course and has only further harmed communities. it is a record that I feel should be questioned and examined...if only so that current stances and potential shifts in policy can be brought forward now
載入新的回覆