xyzzy
[mars martia] the antagonists
xyzzy
we went over the Holy Earth Empire's motivations last time
xyzzy
everything beyond Earth must be sorted into Earth (via submission) or Hell (inviting destruction)
xyzzy
so let's go into how they go about that
xyzzy
the HEE's military is primarily autonomous mecha soldiers, because it's easier to send them through space than to send lots of people
xyzzy
https://images.plurk.com/1b7TIyMMfEGTJKepJaFk4D.png their general mech aesthetic
xyzzy
not that peopleish but like
xyzzy
classical statues of angels mechanized and given swords and shit
xyzzy
armies of angelic figures descending from the skies to crush Mars
xyzzy
not sure what their go to thematic ranged weapons are
xyzzy
but they are like the Gundam 00 Automatons in that they have a "suppress via nonlethal means" setting and a "do big massacres" setting and almost never use the former
xyzzy
what they do send to Mars is officers
xyzzy
actual humans with authority to command their killing machines and with custom supermechs of their own
xyzzy
maybe called Apostles
xyzzy
this fills the narrative purpose of having most of the enemy mechs be non-living so that it's okay to blow them up while also having occasional named human antagonists who we can yell at
xyzzy
what separates the Apostles from their toy soldiers, aside from human pilots, is a special combat device
xyzzy
called a Halo
xyzzy
which acts as an energy hyperspace conduit back to Earth, to fuel the mech's supernatural abilities using 'faith'
xyzzy
what 'faith' actually refers to here is the life force of the HEE's subjects
xyzzy
transmitters are placed within more expendable communities on Earth, and their life essence is drained, weakening them and shortening their lifespans, to fuel the Apostles
xyzzy
imperial armies are sent to Mars one after another in massive ring-shaped battleships (wheels of eyes imagery) that float in orbit, unleashing death and destruction to the planet below in the form of thousands of evil angelmechs
xyzzy
and commanding all of them, eventually coming to Mars to personally see the job done right
xyzzy
is POPE GENESIS XLI
xyzzy
absolute ruler of the Holy Earth Empire
xyzzy
with a multi-halo'd godmech named Metatron
xyzzy
with some kind of supremely unfair power that I haven't decided on yet
xyzzy
Genesis is not inherently stronger or a better pilot than his subordinates
xyzzy
he's just the most important and therefore given the most resources and the best toys
xyzzy
then a bunch of queer disaster punks blow him up with the power of love
xyzzy
there's a secondary antagonistic force in season 1 with Archetype Academy itself
xyzzy
which is ostensibly on our side
xyzzy
but they're so afraid of taking the risk of reimagining how we use the Archetypes
xyzzy
that they'll fight against those who do
xyzzy
until the protags win some kind of big major victory at the end of part 1
xyzzy
that's all I got for now
xyzzy
that's some people I'm sure I missed some
Princess Emily
looks good to me
Magical✰Gurll
i think you're probs good to take me off the ping list; the character wasn't quite coming together ): she had most of her important cr npced so i don't think her absence should disrupt anything at least
xyzzy
dang, all right
GalacticBattler
"not sure what their go to thematic ranged weapons are"
GalacticBattler
I think there's a certain power to the image of
GalacticBattler
A bunch of mecha angels descend from the skies
GalacticBattler
And some of them just have fucking guns
xyzzy
that is pretty good
GalacticBattler
It REALLY sells how the HEE is a modern war machine dressed up in pretty clothes
xyzzy
yeah I'm sold
xyzzy
angels with guns
Echo
Pope Genesis XLI is a fucking powerful villain name.
xyzzy
I went through a list of biblical names and that one just IMMEDIATELY hit me
xyzzy
Genesis is treated by the empire and its subjects as a living God
xyzzy
a manifestation of divine will
xyzzy
therefore, whatever he demands must be provided
GalacticBattler
Is he old as shit
xyzzy
yes
GalacticBattler
Picturing like
xyzzy
extended by extremely expensive medical procedures
GalacticBattler
Old but beefy and with a bunch of tubes sticking into his arms
xyzzy
humanity hasn't achieved immortality but we can take a good swing at it
xyzzy
he's over 100 at least
GalacticBattler
Or, alternatively, the Old Man from Otherworld
xyzzy
I don't recall that
GalacticBattler
spends all his time in an elaborate life support chamber because his body is literally falling apart, but projects a more dignified looking digital avatar
xyzzy
I think somewhere between the two
GalacticBattler
Pouring billions into ways to extend his life
xyzzy
his body is falling apart and he's spending immense resources keeping it alive but it IS still intact enough for him to pilot a mech with it
GalacticBattler
Because he preaches about how if you die in service of the empire you go to heaven so there's nothing to fear but also he himself is fucking terrified of death
xyzzy
that's good
GalacticBattler
Obviously he can't die HIMSELF because his wisdom is the only thing holding the Empire together during this difficult phase
xyzzy
a difficult phase that will, conveniently, never end
GalacticBattler
Yes, my children, I must choose the more difficult path, and keep living in this realm of ash and dust
xyzzy
no matter what the empire achieves, there's always something new that Genesis has to live to oversee
GalacticBattler
I must put off paradise
GalacticBattler
This is my sacrifice
GalacticBattler
To prove that I love you
GalacticBattler
I imagine there are places on Earth that are kinda like those villages that exist to harvest mantra from in Asura's Wrath
xyzzy
AW is definitely an inspiration here
xyzzy
consuming the power of the weak while telling them it's necessary to protect them from evil
xyzzy
and using it to power divine ultimate warriors
GalacticBattler
who are then dismantled by fighters using ostensibly obsolete and inferior tech
GalacticBattler
But win anyway because they are powered by endless wrath love
xyzzy
forces framed as demonic in nature by the ruling class
GalacticBattler
I do like the dynamic of this because it means once the badguys activate super mode the good guys are like "Oh shit, now the pressure is on because not only am I in personal danger but also the longer this takes the more people on Earth are suffering"
Rama
Oh, the guelphs finally won
GalacticBattler
I had to look up what that was but when I saw "Medieval Italy" and "Papal power" I got what you were going for
xyzzy
that's a deep cut
GalacticBattler
Nerdo DOES play Crusader Kings a lot
Rama
I know a lot more than reasonable about medieval politics for someone who never took a college-level history class
GalacticBattler
I'm assuming you weren't referring to the city in Ontario
xyzzy
the Holy Ontario Empire
GalacticBattler
Pope Genesis XLI has to put his palace somewhere
xyzzy
whether or not the HEE really is a direct continuation of the old world papacy, Genesis would definitely put his residence in the Vatican to try and evoke the idea that it is
birdzodia
this looks dope
GalacticBattler
Also naming conventions
GalacticBattler
The officers who go to mars are apostles but their mecha are named after angelic choirs
GalacticBattler
So if you see a cherubim type you better be careful
GalacticBattler
An Archangel is the lowest rank that actually has a human in it
xyzzy
very on the nose, which is perfect for the HEE
skerple
this shit is STRONG
bird time
This is really powerful images
xyzzy
I was thinking on how many Halos Metatron has feeding it power
xyzzy
and the correct answer is
xyzzy
https://images.plurk.com/3Bsw118wjxgBTYEhPgmzG2.png ten
ღ zipper noises
slides in here
ღ zipper noises
this is so cool holy shit
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
I feel like genesis has given a public speech at some point about how he longs for his eternal rest but he must make this sacrifice of continuing to oversee the world, that the believers immediately believe and go OH HOW TRAGIC
xyzzy
certainly
xyzzy
although less 'eternal rest' and more 'being united with the Lord's glory'
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
earth: oh no! how noble and selfless! he works tirelessly with no end in sight for us!!
mars: ok boomer
xyzzy
he probably has a body double to deliver speeches on his behalf because his actual body looks wretched at this point
bird time
He feels equally like an end boss and like someone who gets stabbed in the back by his subordinates
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
his subordinates stab him in the back but he survives, comes back, bodyjacks one of them, and becomes a super ultramech?
xyzzy
if he could bodyjack people why would he need to spend billions extending his lifespan
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
either it is a new process he also spent billions on or there is a drawback
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
maybe he like uploads his mind into his ultramech so it becomes his true body?
bird time
I think that body jacking feels like a bit clashy with the overall thematics
xyzzy
yeah I don't like it
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
fair
xyzzy
Pope Genesis is human
bird time
He's all about clinging to his existing body
xyzzy
His capabilities are nothing more than those of a human
bird time
If there's life after death and it's being a robot then what's his motivation
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
I'm just trying to think of what makes for the hypest mecha fight
bird time
I like the idea of him being done in by some sort of human error and treating his underlings like garbage
bird time
That's always satisfying
bird time
But also blowing up his angelmecha is good too
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
his subordinate who takes over would have to be even worse and also even stronger
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
... here's a thought
bird time
We'd need to fill out more apostles for that
bird time
To determine which ones are good reoccurring fools
bird time
Foils
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
his subordinate who offs him buys into his shit. in killing the pope he sends the pope off to his deserved reward and then decides he's going to become even more tyrannical and crush Mars even if his halos suck the life out of all of earth's extra population
xyzzy
I like the idea of the Even Crazier Subordinate Hijack
bird time
Oh, that's good
xyzzy
Earth will be sacrificed to destroy Mars
xyzzy
it's not an evil act
xyzzy
for all who perish will be rewarded in Heaven
bird time
Really hammers home the toxic legacy
bird time
Here's an on the nose title for you
bird time
Pope Revelation I
bird time
So we probably want twelve apostles
xyzzy
hell yes
bird time
There's ten halos but you typically don't have them all active at once, usually there's like 1-3 apostles per sortie so they can have enemy banter
bird time
The ultimate godmech having all ten is a big AW SHIT
xyzzy
I mean
xyzzy
most mechs have one halo
xyzzy
Metatron has ten because it's for the pope
bird time
Right metatron
bird time
I kind of figured that there were ten in the world and they'd pop them in the mech and link them to the life drainy upload thing as needed
xyzzy
nah, they can make more Halos
xyzzy
it's just usually one is enough because using a lot at once is
xyzzy
bad, for Earth
bird time
Then that satisfies my kaballah-apostle
count disrepency nicely
xyzzy
yeah those are unrelated
bird time
We don't really need a specific Theme for the apostles other than the gestures to entire religion
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
I am just imagining that metatron, fueled by the fanatical belief of Revelation I, eventually hits an even more powerful super mode
bird time
Probably they do have like confirmation names
xyzzy
an Earth force in combat will generally try to restrict to one active Halo at a time
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
where the halos unfold into ten wings, so charged with power that they seem to be just bleeding it off into space (because that's wasteful and the pope doesn't carel
bird time
Some of which might be a lil futuristic because we probably have new future saints now
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
one more thought
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
there are twelve seats for apostles. but only eleven apostles.
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
the twelfth is judas, unforgiven and unacknowledged by the HEE
bird time
Judas got replaced by Simon I think
bird time
Like canonically
xyzzy
I think cutting it to 11 is fine in terms of resisting cast bloat
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
plus it gives the opportunity later for THE SECRET TWELFTH MECH
Echo
...what if Judas is a Martian defector.
Echo
He quit Earth's army and founded the academy.
bird time
I looked it up and I was wrong about Simon he was the original
bird time
*in the original
bird time
I don't think that person was literally called Judas but they probably had a similar function in society, there's just another particular name that's synonymous with treachery in HEE now
GalacticBattler
I like the idea of like
GalacticBattler
a throne room where all the apostles have big fancy chairs
GalacticBattler
but there's one chair that's like got a sword sticking into it or something
GalacticBattler
And it never gets mentioned and no one ever sits in it
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
the siege perilous
bird time
It's just there as a grim reminder
bird time
We don't exposit what it means
bird time
It's like in Avatar season two when Zuko and Iroh cut their hair and Iroh doesn't go "well as you know this symbolizes that we are abandoning your quest for honor and the fire nation and our royal bloodline" the camera just focuses on the hair washing away in the river
bird time
Just sometimes an Apostle might be "what if we were a little less focused on invading mars-" and then the pope or Apostle Silverius just kind of goes "Is that what you think" and everyone looks at the chair and agrees that no Mars is the priority here
LOVE & PEATH
consider
LOVE & PEATH
the throne is cracked down the middle as if by a lightning strike
ღ zipper noises
oh, that's very good
LOVE & PEATH
they created this effect very carefully
LOVE & PEATH
but nobody has to know that
ғᴏxʏᴍᴏʀᴏɴ
oh, i love it
bird time
Yes,,,,!
GalacticBattler
I feel like, as a setting conceit
GalacticBattler
FTL tech just is not a thing
GalacticBattler
Which is why after 10000 years we haven't moved beyond the solar system
xyzzy
yeah
GalacticBattler
There may or may not be settlements on the outer planets
Echo
Yeah, it's either impossible or way, way beyond even their current future-tech capabilities and hasn't been discovered yet, it's not an option on the table for them.
GalacticBattler
They sent out some generation ships thousands of years ago
GalacticBattler
We get radio signals from various distant plants
GalacticBattler
but there's no practical way to get in touch with them
GalacticBattler
They're just out there doing their own things
GalacticBattler
I used all three there spellings in one sentence
xyzzy
they might learn about the events of canon in a few hundred years
bird time
Combination of gun buster coming back and that community gif of the guy coming back with pizza
載入新的回覆