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[dishonored] Sit down everyone, we're talking hobby drama. We're talking especially what killed the Dishonored for me, and why I literally dead eye any time someone brings up Emily's sexuality because this was embarrassing as shit.
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So if you don't know My Sordid History with Dishonored, I love the every loving SHIT out of this game, I had a side blog dedicated to it, I talked to people every day about it, I wrote page after page of fanfic, lore theory, edits, gifs, I collaborated with other artists, I chatted with Harvey Smith about it. Honestly like. So much stuff.
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I know literally every part of every level of this game, it's ridiculous. I can navigate through every level still without seeing it because I still remember every goddamn guard location.
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So I was ground zero watching this happen.
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Anyway for ages, the fandom was semi active, but quiet. The first game had come out, but we had no news if there was going to be a second, there was like 10-20 dedicated content makers I wanna say? It was itty bitty, and we all became establish as The Old Guard of Dishonored fandom and all had our like, comfortable corners.
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And Then, the Dishonored 2 Trailer Dropped.
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Which was awesome, we suddenly got a wave of followers who were super duper keen about a female lead video game!
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ah i remember the ye old days of the old guard
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But like, SUDDENLY hundreds of people and one large part of the was people who were keen to see a LGBT lead. Harvey Smith at that time, had hinted that Emily had a love interest. He specifically never gave them a gender, and everyone thought that this could be because Emily was gay and he just didn't want to say it!!
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Was Emily's partner a woman? GASP?!?!?!
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Was Harvey Smith Queerbaiting us by refusing to say a gender even when people pressed him about it?!?!
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No, none of that. Because Emily's love interest is cannonically non-binary. So he wasn't screwing around with anyone. Wyman was a They, not He or She, so he had never hidden anything. Emily, was now, definitively Queer. She was in love with a Non-Binary person who she loves very much.
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Now I am not actually Up Enough with Correct Terms to know whether that makes Emily a Lesbian or Bisexual or what the correct understanding is, so please feel free to tell me one way or another.
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This is not the point of the story or the end of it, because my friends the worst was yet to come.
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At this point, we didn't know that. Everyone was pushing for Wyman to be a woman so Emily could be a Lesbian.
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And into this hype train of the Queer Community, This One User - the post is hidden from me so I can no longer find it, maybe it has been deleted? - made a post that they wished the fandom would stop obsessing Emily's sexuality, bc they didn't care, they'd rather be more interested in talking about Emily as Empress, a woman with inherited power.
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And my friends, my friends if you thought that shit was going to disappear into the depths of Tumblrs screaming, you are sadly wrong.
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Someone replied with, "well I am Lesbian, and I care about her sexuality, it would be really cool!" which yes, it could be. The original user said, "well she could still be bisexual, I just dont see why it has to come up in the games?"
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Unwittingly, they had also accidentally opened up the Queer communities issues with bisexual people too which was a great fucking time........... so that was pretty insulting as a Bisexual woman..... yuck.
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It was hunting season on this user and they just got reply after reply saying that Bisexual wasn't the same as Lesbian and it as a cop out of they made her bisexual, this user didn't understand anything, Emily was Lesbian, it was confirmed ok ( it was not )
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But did it stop there?! No! No, you see this user had a friend in what I referenced before: The Old Dishonored Guard. This user made a comic, and had done for ages, that was semi popular. It was largely just a silly, ridiculous comic, light on, queer, and about people's OCs.
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This user saw their friend getting wrecked for being tactless about a very sensitive topic, and instead of also having any Tact, proceeded to say she was banning everyone who said anything mean to her friend.
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Which meant gasp!! YOU'D NEVER SEE ANYMORE OF HER COMIC.
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But then she went further, even if she thought you MIGHT have been involved in this, you ALSO got banned even if you had say, liked the post.
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So: I got banned because I had liked the post because I was sitting here watching armaggedon go down in my fandom like holy shit what was happening
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unfortunately, this ridiculousness, did not stop, BECAUSE ITS ABOUT TO GET EVEN WORSE
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OH BUDDY, WE AIN'T DONE YET
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I had to pause for food. So it's time to continue.
asha
camps here
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SO HERE WE ARE, PART 2.
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Now, as we follow, this post is snowballing as it will do, and we are getting closer to Dishonored 2 release date, it changes. Now it's no longer these few people squabbling, it's taken a new form, and it says that Emily is not only not a Lesbian, she's been confirmed as straight.
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I want to be real clear now, IT HAS NOT. THE GAME HAS NOT ONLY NOT COME OUT YET, THE DISHONORED NOVEL WHICH CONFIRMED WYMEN AS NONBINARY HAS COME OUT YET, NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID, AT ALL, BY THE DEV TEAM, HARVEY SMITH, DISHONORED RELATED ANYTHING.
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NO ONE HAS SAID SHIT.
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As it happens, as part of the promo, a gaming magazine is holding a interview with Harvey Smith, lead Dev and all around open dude with the whole Fandom. He's a real nice guy!!!
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ANYWAY SO, THIS POST HAD GOTTEN COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL. People are freaking out that Emily is Straight.
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And instead of ever asking when and where this information came from, they take to this game magazines comment section where they requested people ask Harvey Smith questions
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AND FILL PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE DEMANDING HARVEY CONFIRM EMILY AS GAY, DEMAND SHE BE GAY.
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And I do mean fucking pages. So many goddamn pages, until the point that the guys running the interview are like, wow we can barely finding anything at all that isn't every one screaming about this at the top of their lungs.
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RIGHT
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I CRINGED JUST THINKING ABOUT IT
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And Harvey Smith who has always had an open comfortable relationship and has been OPENLY SUPPORTIVE OF HAVE MORE LGBT CHARACTERS is left with these accusations that he had made Emily straight. When he had again as I say at this point LITERALLY DONE NOTHING BUT GIVE FUN TID BITS TO THE WHOLE FANDOM FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN HE WAS A NICE GAME DEV
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And at that point I just literally could NOT with any of this trash fire and peaced the fuck out for like months because oohhhhhh my God I could not
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Anyway this is why I blank every person about Emily's sexuality into the fucking abyss, it's not you IT'S THEM
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fandom eats its own tail
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oh my god
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I AM GLAD YOU ALL CRINGED ALONG WITH THIS TALE OF WOE WITH ME
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the memories
loose honey
did they ever end up using pronouns anywhere for Wyman? I remember the bros pointing at the French novel translation where โle jeune nobleโ was used to prove Wyman was a dude.
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the English translation was awkward as all hell because there were no pronouns, just descriptors or Wyman.
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loose honey
: nope, never, everything is They.
loose honey
huh. time to dig again.
loose honey
why did Harvey delete all his tweets?
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Wyman is non-binary. If there are descriptors in french for Wyman, that's a failing of the translators, that's all.
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He was very, very consistently specific that Wyman was non-binary.
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The only time Wyman is in a setting that requires it be used, was in the Dishonored Novel, where yeah - it's just They. It's constantly just They.
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loose honey
: I think he goes through periodically at times as well just to clear his shit but I AINT HARVEY SO I DO NOT KNOW
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my copy of the Corroded Man doesnโt even have the they.
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Weirddd, maybe I am misremembering it, but yeah, he was SUPER SPECIFIC ABOUT IT
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and in which case, I think that is the writer just being weird then.
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how does someone even end up writing tie in novels
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they literally just pick them at random
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and then ask the author if they want to do it
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the author then says yes or no
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yeah harvey just clears out his tweets once in a while, i'm pretty sure he's got one of the auto process set up to auto delete anything older than x-amount of time
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and man i am so glad i was never "in" the fandom bc i managed to miss all this
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it would have ruined my enjoyment in the same way
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It Was Exhuasting