Niamh Vibes
On one hand, artists suffering for their art is a stereotype I hate and I hate to see people put themselves through hell to make fiction
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On the other hand
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stories where the creator is probably breaking down during the production of are really fascinating and messy
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Neon Genesis Evangelion, everything I know about Devilman Crybaby
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The Prisoner is a show about a spy who resigned from his duties and now an evil caricature of society is forcing the Prisoner to explain his reasons
SariAAAAAAAH
they'd suffer for their art less if people fucking paid them :')
Niamh Vibes
It was made by Patrick McGoohan, a man who retired from his extremely high paying spy show and refused an offer to play James Bond
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McGoohan was constantly asked in interviews and on the street why he resigned from his spy show
SariAAAAAAAH
(in reality I suspect artists are already somehow emotionally/mentally compromised which makes them more prone to melting down)
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(depression, etc.)
Niamh Vibes
art is inherently vulnerable
big juicy
i think there's a difference here in terms of like
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art made from emotions that lead to vulnerability and suffering, which are often compelling results
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versus art made from the expectation that because they are artists they must suffer
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true
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like, making art that draws on ur depression is one thing
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refusing help for ur depression bc u don't want to compromise your artistic vision or whatever is another
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YEAH
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and people supporting or encouraging the latter is gross
big juicy
one is like a natural consequence or coincidence, the other is imposing it on you, naturally or otherwise
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and it certainly helps in cases where like
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Anno was getting therapy and shit during the last bit of eva
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and was channeling that feeling into the ending
big juicy
yeah what's REALLY interesting is that the bleakest and most cerebral parts of eva actually were made when he was in treatment
RobotApocalypse
yeah suffering can create good art but is not necessary to create good art, and media needs to stop acting like it is
big juicy
and the more standard upbeat episodes earlier in the series were from when he was truly In The Pits
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big juicy
: that's a good distinction, yeah
Niamh Vibes
trying to hide his feelings vs. acknowledging and understanding them
Quinnfernal
There's a difference between "This art is fascinating because of the artist's depression" and "I sure am glad that artist had depression"
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YEAH
RobotApocalypse
yeah
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yeah
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i mean for a while i did kind of buy into it like "oh, i'm an artist, which means i am doomed to suffer forever and also i shouldn't try to seek treatment for it"
RobotApocalypse
also while we're at it let's take the "starving artist" trope and throw that out the window too
RobotApocalypse
it feeds right into the whole "art means SACRIFICE and SUFFERING" bs too
big juicy
STARVING IS NOT INHERENT TO BEING AN ARTIST AT ALL, IT'S JUST BC NOBODY VALUES THE ARTS
RobotApocalypse
PAY! YOUR! ARTISTS!
dental care
I mean if they were when he was in treatment than the actual original ending of EVA suddenly makes sense
dental care
but I haven't heart about devilman crybaby
Quinnfernal
Devilman was written by Go Nagai during a time when he was horribly ill and literally thought he was going to die in the next few months
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it is, as a result, one of the rawest, bleakest things I've ever seen
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