This This is important D<
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This This is important D<
This This is important D<
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As I have said before and will always say Aziraphale never should have to apologize for telling Crowley to wait
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Crowley's feelings are not the only ones that matter 
Flash Bastard
If Aziraphale needs to apologise for anything, it's the 'I forgive you' bit.
Flash Bastard
But even then, Crowley knows how Aziraphale thinks. He probably wouldn't expect an apology.
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eh? why so?
Flash Bastard
Especially in the aftermath of the bandstand breakup, it's deliberately pushing Crowley's buttons.
Flash Bastard
Crowley, though, has been whittling Aziraphale's warped perception of Heaven down for six millennia. He doesn't truly lose patience with the argument until there's no more time to have it.
Flash Bastard
Crowley would understand 'you go too fast for me' as the 'it's not a no, it's a not now' that it is.
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Ehh I don't read it that way
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I thought it was very powerful myself
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that Aziraphale would forgive Crowley
Flash Bastard
That's why I said if! There's room for multiple interpretations!
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especially since Crowley was like I'm unforgivable that's what I am
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yeah XD
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I mean
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I'm just saying my own!
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I really loved it
Flash Bastard
It doesn't lack power, but I feel like it was real bad timing, in the context of the bandstand.
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I think the only thing Aziraphale should apologize for was pressuring Crowley to do the bad thing while Crowley was mourning his car
Pen Again
that post is indeed so important
Flash Bastard
That is also valid.
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I think it was excellent timing in the context of the bandstand
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Because Crowley says no one can forgive him
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and Aziraphale, knowing this may well be the last thing he says to Crowley
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says that he does forgive him
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and not even that there's anything specifically to forgive him for
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but that the offer is there
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it's kind of an exclamation of love for me
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which is why Crowley is like ffs I don't want to love you and lose yous top making this difficult! D<
Flash Bastard
We Support Multiple Interpretations Of Canon! XD
Flash Bastard
(Possibly with a side of 'see, this is why you play Aziraphale and I play Crowley,' considering the angles we're approaching it from.)
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XD
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even so it all comes down to interpretation but I respect yours <3
tronja307020
Honestly, I don't think Aziraphale should have to apologize, either, or that Crowley would want him to. But I think Aziraphale might think he needs to apologize, when he was still in that whirlwind of emotional and mental freefall after the Armageddon.
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/nodnod that's fair and I can see that interpretation XD
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but as for myself I'm not fond of it
tronja307020
People that think he has to apologize must not know how hard indoctrination can effect you. It's really hard for the people inside the bad thing to realize what's happening and act appropriately.
tronja307020
Yeah, fair enough.
ส angel baby ษ
the thing about I Forgive You though is that it is a declaration of love but it's also being Self Righteous at the same time. it's implying Crowley has done things he needs forgiveness for, or is about to do something he needs forgiveness for. which I think is why it's also hurtful and very Soft Bastard of him? that's what I took away from it anyway
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/dnodnod
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That's fair
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and a valid interpretation XD
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but not mine
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Because for me Crowley has done plenty of things he needs forgiveness for
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since I feel sometimes fandom portrays him as a sof babbu demon who did no wrong. And if that's what people like that's cool but
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I feel he has done things he shouldn't'v'e and things he regrets
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but for me too it's not so much about forgiving Crowley for a specific thing but Aziraphale wanting to show he cared
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in the only language he had
tronja307020
See, I always interpreted the I Forgive You as a way to purposefully push Crowley away so he'd leave and be safe while Aziraphale tried and possibly failed to stop Armageddon. Yes, it's a follow up from what was said at the bandstand, but it's also him forcing himself to appear righteously determined and Not At All Afraid Things Wouldn't Work Out.
ส angel baby ษ
yeah, that's something I've touched on too. that in that moment it felt to him the only way he can love Crowley and show that love, being what they both are
Flash Bastard
I don't think Crowley wants Aziraphale to apologise. Crowley had the dubious benefit of being thrown headlong out of Heaven's mindset. Aziraphale's had even longer to stew, and he needed to work through it at his own pace.
Flash Bastard
Like I said earlier, Crowley didn't really start pushing faster than Aziraphale was ready for until there was no more time.
Pen Again
I think this is absolutely fascinating to see all the different takes on a line of dialogue, but also how it subtly differs between the Crowleys and the Aziraphales of this plurk
ส angel baby ษ
lol, right?
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yesss
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nuance 
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I can see Aziraphale trying to push Crowley away too with that
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he's just not very good at it >>;
ส angel baby ษ
because we've each focused on the reactions and feelings of the character that we have to tap into for those feelings for rp
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/nods!
Flash Bastard
I also think Aziraphale would have considered leaving with Crowley a lot more seriously if he'd already called Heaven before that conversation.
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and given the nature of my fanficcing I try to do both XD
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get into both heads
Flash Bastard
YOU CAN SEE ON HIS FACE HOW MUCH HE WANTED TO, but there was still an avenue to try!
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yes
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and for me Crowley doesn't want an apology he just wants Aziraphale to not be so...Aziraphalian for once and get in the satanblessed car! D<
Flash Bastard
srsly
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but I think the coolest thing about Aziraphale
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is that he will choose duty and good of the whole over his own personal love
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even if that love is very deep
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mind you this is a slight deviance from Book and Radio Aziraphale who gives 0 shits
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or at least not very many
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But specifically show
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which also ties into thoughts I have about the GOmens Lockdown XD if anyone wants to hear them
Flash Bastard
Also, "I have no intention of fighting in any war" is SUCH A POWER LINE.
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yes
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it's the closeset thing to Aziraphale saying bitch
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but it was heavily implied
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(almost wrote heavenly)
Flash Bastard
Just. "...none of you actually care. Fine, I'll do it myself."
Flash Bastard
Also: most things that touch on the angelic Rebellion have Lucifer wondering what's so great about humans anyway. GO Heaven... did not learn from that, and also dismisses humanity outright.
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yws
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well angels are laregely unconcerned with humanity except on ...er...fomenting
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but also they haven't spent much time with them
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the higher ups are mostly concerned with one upping heaven
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and vice versa
Flash Bastard
::nods::
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Though I would argue hell has a more intimate view of humanity though less of an understanding of the accoutremants