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trying to write a tag to solus is SO HARD
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IM SORRY!!!
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NO ITS GREAT
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oh good
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it's just REALLY INTENSE
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IM GLAD U ENJOY...but yes these two get really...they get....
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and it's hard to work out exactly how to reply bc tyler is so worked up but hasn't released it yet
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he's going to storm off and wail on a punching bag after this probably
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...probably in a very upcoming comment
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i know tyler's allowed to be wrong but he needs to be right so bad
sailor bii
poor bb
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Tylerrr....
Famine
I'm so glad I play a character where if I don't know what to say him saying nothing is perfectly IC lmao
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YEAH that's just how estinien...do...
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THERE i think that's
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okay
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tyler's very done and doesn't know how to argue back
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POOR TYLER...
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Meanwhile Solus is just like "if you wanna know shit, just ask." cool as a cucumber. He's still annoyed by this all, but he sees that this debate is pointless because Tyler is too angry to continue it, and he believes his trauma won't allow a fair conversation between them.
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and tyler is out
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SORRY SOLUS he is. not okay
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DONT APOLOGIZE TO SOLUS, HE DOESN'T DESERVE IT
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THAT IS TRUE
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solus started this too, lmao
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i don't think tyler's been wrong but it's really hard to tell when your opponent is a casual gaslighter
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very...much so a gaslighter yeah.
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ahahahaha
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I'M NOT SURE HE'D WANT TO? he'd be like. so afraid of lashing out at her rn
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He's also just very good at working people's emotions against them. It doesn't truly matter if he's right or wrong, he can twist logic and reasoning in such a way that it's hard to argue against it because it how its presented makes a certain kind of sense, and makes you doubt your own perspective.
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But yeah like, he was legit tho. If people did ask, he would answer. Like, it actually is that simple, but people don't ask, which he puts the fault on them for lmao because that's just...how he do.
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But also like, he knows what he's doing. He isn't innocent by a long shot
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yeah, so like. i'm confident that tyler's not wrong in all his shit, but he's also so worked up that he's no longer like. debate valid
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and he's doubting himself twice as hard bc solus just calmed down so perfectly that he feels like he's in the wrong for getting so mad
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Yep that's...another tactic.
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tyler is an "i must remain rational at all times or else i lose" debater bc like. it's too easy to insult one of his many issues as an angle and if he gets sucked into that then it's over
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Like the way solus views the whole thing is that he gave humanity knowledge that could help their society and people, they could use this technology to better their lives and the lives of others, but instead they chose to weaponize it. They always chose to kill one another, instead of the peaceful path. So while he provided the tools, he's no more at fault
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for the deaths that happened than a smithy is when someone kills another with a blade he's made.
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Tho that's a very...twisted and faulty half-truth, because he also gave what he did knowing it would likely end up that way, and also hoping it would because it played into his people's schemes (he just also secretly hoped against it as well)
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tyler's view is that arming someone with that knowledge is as good as wielding the blade yourself, since without that interference the blade wouldn't exist in that situation
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which is... very self-loathing at its core
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tyler has a lot of very complex feelings about culpability
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The way Solus sees it is they would have killed each other regardless, he was just giving them a chance to do better, but they followed their natural violent instincts.
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which is still...a half-truth, because his buddies were on the other side giving them their own weapons
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so they were basically playing both sides in an inequal arm's race that Solus would always win at.
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tyler's feelings are so strong on that bc he fully and entirely blames himself for all the harm that happened to his friends
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like, if he wasn't there writing the stories and forcing his friends to murder and harm each other, he feels like maybe it would be more okay
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Tylerrrr
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I mean, Solus does feel guilty about this shit, he just crams it so far down and denies it exists at all, so he even like...basically gaslights himself in a way to cope
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he doesn't really acknowledge that it's not his own fault, that it was his Keeper forcing him to do it all because if he didn't, he would be the one who gets horribly punished and tortured just as badly as the others
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He dehumanizes everyone he's killed because he can't cope with it otherwise
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Yeah ):
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he knows his keeper hurt him, but there's a sort of mental disconnect between his keeper hurting him, his keeper hurting them, and his keeper hurting them through him
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Solus is doing all of this to save the ones he loves...and also because he literally can't not do it but he puts less stock in that. He acknowledges he cannot defy Zodiark, but like he has never been able to think poorly of Zodiark because of his tempering
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Like he's actively grateful towards zodiark despite everything that's happened, and there's no telling how much of that is legitimately him or his tempering
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\o/ yeah that's how tyler feels about his keeper
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God tho yeah poor tyler... god I love him, poor messed up buddy.
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he doesn't know how much is his keeper making him love it and just. being so broken that he'll take any affection he could get, and the only person who would give it was his keeper
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his actual boyfriend was the first to sort of get completely lost in it all, bc as much as they all had a good bit of mental fortitude it's very hard to not slip off the edge when your entire existence is murdering your friends and being groomed by your kidnapper to want to like it
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Yeah like, Solus is vehemently against hurting people and especially killing them. He is lawfully aligned utterly. But in order to exist doing what he does because of his loyalty to amaurot and his enslavement to zodiark, he's had to reinvent his moral standards
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if tyler knew about zodiark his stance would flip pretty hard
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like he would still think solus is insufferable and terrifying but it sort of turns him into a changeling with no clarity, versus an actual true fae
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Yeah cuz rn it just seems like solus is doing this purely for the fuck of it
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YEAH
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which is what's getting to tyletr
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at least he was forced to be an agent of murder, solus seems to just get his rocks off on it
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Which is hilariously the opposite!! But...alas.
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Solus is having a hard time too because of the disconnect from Zodiark, like he's running off of thousands and thousands of years of conditioning, but zodiark isn't in his head anymore and its very...strange
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the sign that tyler made up specifically means "gentry", for the record
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he's not even going to risk signing their real name
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When he was talking to estinien before about the shit he's been doing back in their world, he felt a momentary feeling of doubt for the first time ever irt zodiark and it kinda spooked him a little and he immediately squashed it
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god I dont blame him
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But yeah I hope at some point Zodiark gets brought up. He's not even trying to hide him, he just...hasn't had a reason to indulge the info
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WITH THE WARRIOR OF LIGHT APPING THO... he's gonna be so fucking turned upside down
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i feel like it won't unless tyler talks about his durance, bc like
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he has no fucking reason to suspect solus is doing this of anything but his own accord
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YEAH I mean sometimes solus mentions zodiark offhandedly, there just hasn't been a reason for him yet.
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But yeah Solus does want to know more about the shit with tyler and steven
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He's entirely curious. Like he has endless curiosity, and their shit delves into crap he's unfamiliar with, so he's a little focused on sleuthing it out
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good luck catching him, isis is probably teleport on sight now
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LOOK AT THE DISTRESS YOU CAUSED HER HUMAN
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OOPS
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I mean if anything he might message him at some point but yeah lmao
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pfff
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i'm just picturing isis stealing his gear bc he starts dissociating as soon as he gets solus's text and solus doesn't get a reply for an hour bc he has to convince her it's fien
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Hjfdjkgv Oh my god
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I love it
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Yeah he won't for a bit yet, anyway. he's busy uuuhhhh doing what he's doing. getting hassled by a shitty liepard while trying to build magitek and teach his rotom to not be little bitches
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YEAH LIKE
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I think if anyone realizes that Solus is the changeling in this situation and not the fetch, it'll probably be Steven
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when he's giving Solus all the nightmares
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omg
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just digs through his brain for fuel and finds zodiark
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yup
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yupppp
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NOT THE TRUE FAE I mean
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with dreamweaving, can the person being afflicted turn it around on steven? i haven't looked into it much
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I'll look that up in a second. I've got my hardcopy up here I'm just lazy because it's further away from the bed
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honestly though, considering how fucked up Solus and Tyler are, maybe it's a good thing to be a psychopath and not gaslighting yourself
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also also maybe this is when Isis can throw her everstone in Solus' face
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if he says anything
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if he tries to follow tyler then
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OH LOOK A NEW BLACK EYE
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NOPE, THE SAME ON
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otoh free everstone
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isis has the power of god and anime on her side, she WILL go for the injured eye
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also I think it depends if Solus is a lucid dreamer if he can even try to turn it back on Steven
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...if he's in a coma he might be
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the one good thing is that Steven can bail at any time
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but Solus cannot
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https://images.plurk.com/3TV2vjAsUpBjimVsB1e232.jpg
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of course, Steven has phantasmal bastion so he's prepared for dream combat
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noice
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Oh solus is 100% a lucid dreamer, he greatly uses his dreams to kinda escape reality, but he is completely aware he's dreaming
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I headcanon he returns to the same dream where he's rebuilding amaurot bit by bit, picking up where he left off, his progress reflecting how far along they are in their progress of rejoining the 13 shards with the source...even in his sleep he's working, but this is more meditative and peaceful than reality
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oh good. Steven might be able to overwhelm him with nightmares, but he can fight back a little
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he'll probably destroy dream amaurot
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Honestly, if Steven is able to find his fear irt the final days of amaurot and can invoke that nightmare, with how unexpected it is, he will be totally thrown off especially in the beginning
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But yeah god destroying dream amaurot, Solus will be so goddamn angry ahahaha
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it's okay. it's his punishment for everything
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its tru
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anyway, he can always rebuild it
Famine
destroy it with meteors
sailor bii
depending on how much he gets when he does witch's intuition on him
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Yeah he will definitely work on rebuilding it, just fucking mad his progress got wiped more or less, and annoyed with himself that his mind won't let him instantly get back to where it was
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man /reading through alla this. I'm gonna have fun tossing Bucky at all you weirdos
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:3
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comes back in here to link this SPOILERS FOR FFXIV but someone made a lil video with the shit from amaurot with Solus' narration about it to give you an idea of what tyler and steven will be putting Solus through ahaha
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bless these people cuz I thought I was gonna have to do this cuz I hadn't seen anyone else compile this bit of his dialog
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