CChuuni
Hi. I'm not alive, but it flabbergasts me that the new American Civil War / Revolution / Dissolution of an empire nation has begun, and the news says not a peep.
timeywimey
/clings to/ and uses Hyper Potion
CChuuni
I guess they're in denial stage of grief, don't want to spread it, or are being "silenced" but it makes me wonder about the Revolution. Did anyone know then?
CChuuni
I mean EVERYONE knew with Ukraine. So...?
CChuuni
Anyway, we've been devolving with more nails in the coffin since 2016. I scoffed at the "Virginia is going to start the second civil war" because here's the thing
CChuuni
They were already on the side of the empire/power.
CChuuni
Minneapolis is the powder keg that blew.
CChuuni
For over a decade we've been begging for change, fixes, resolutions. COVID19 exposed how much racism, systemic double standards, and willingness to sacrifice the already disadvantaged the oligarchs and even middle class were.
CChuuni
I don't know how long this will last. But we won't have the 1776 America Constitution after this. We might not even have fifty states.
Whatson
"Wow, you're not dead?"
CChuuni
Don't bs on the statue of liberty for the new country Liberteria though. (Not talking) if you don't want it, you have to go somewhere else.
CChuuni
Also there's native prophecies about the country's people turning against materialism and then coming to the native nation's for law and spirituality.
CChuuni
May you live in interesting times.
CChuuni
Whatson : I'm dead as fuck. Been paralyzed, vomiting, and unable to be downstairs for... I don't even know how long. I want to say 3 days?
Whatson
are you getting worse?
CChuuni
That's why I'm like 24 hours late on this as it is!!?
timeywimey
>:
timeywimey
continues to send you all the good vibes
timeywimey
any idea what triggered that?
Mothman Truther
oh gosh, CC. Things never seem to get better for you :-(
Whatson
I'll just ask, are you actually dying?
CChuuni
CChuuni
Wow
CChuuni
Also to those who think this is all about George Lloyd; it's a spark to a LONG TIME brewing powder keg
Klobuchar didn't prosecute controversial police kill...
CChuuni
^ Target bought off Klobuchar and the cops
Retailer Target Branches Out Into Police Work <span ...
to get them to increase their aggression to black neighborhoods (no joke)
CChuuni
See also: WW1
CChuuni
Whatson : I think I'd be on the ED again if I was closer to it. I did debate it one day but here's the kicker
CChuuni
Mom cooked pork
Whatson
*Floyd
CChuuni
\:|/
CChuuni
So once I got t to my room and filter I was doing much better
CChuuni
My immune system is just retarded as fuck
Whatson
do you want my air filter too?
MooseChangerPat
She's got one downstairs too, she just is dumb and keeps the window open so she keeps her filter off
Whatson
more might help
Whatson
that or vaccuming
MooseChangerPat
^ that
MooseChangerPat
but like... it's hard enough to get mom to just... clean
MooseChangerPat
she's juggling so much shit right now
Whatson
no comment
MooseChangerPat
Hey bro, she's not the only one. I had to put in an AC today, take a shower, and help with grocery shopping. I'm dead as a doorknob.
CChuuni
CChuuni
^ he's right though. One person doing right would have changed things dramatically
timeywimey
Glad you were better
timeywimey
now stop dying on me >:<
Whatson
so the looting began after the tear gas and rubber bullets were fired?
MooseChangerPat
Yup
MooseChangerPat
Basically the police thought they could pull another occupy wall street removal... they thought wrong.
Whatson
it's a very powerful message. except for the angry emoji
CChuuni
I am downstairs \o/ PROGRESS
CChuuni
CChuuni
TO BE CLEAR
CChuuni
This fight is not black vs. white or even solely the oppression of police on ~~~Innocent didndu nuffin protestors~~~
CChuuni
This is 2 decades of us trying to fix things, and spinning our wheels.
CChuuni
Whatson
What changed? Air good enough down there?
CChuuni
CChuuni
Yes
CChuuni
Migraine still bad, might have to crash soon but
Whatson
rip
CChuuni
YA
CChuuni
This is a joke but given his shitty response I WAS AMUSED https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZIsYTyXYAIxJrZ?format=png&name=small
CChuuni
Erm
CChuuni
HIs response to the Minneappolis mayor asking him to prosecute the cop who killed George Floyd
CChuuni
Which was
CChuuni
"There's not enough evidence for a crime, only dismissal" and the DA was ordered to do that
CChuuni
Ivory towers are going to burn
timeywimey
\o/
timeywimey
for being downstairs
CChuuni
\o/
timeywimey
continues to send you good vibes and doctor bear hugs
CChuuni
In the words of ATLA prison riot starter
CChuuni
HEY! RIOT!
Whatson
that's quite the comment section there at Twitter
CChuuni
Oh yeah
CChuuni
I mean twitter takes Youtube bent over backwards and fucks it hard
CChuuni
So you can see why I hang out there when I'm moody
Whatson
its either white boy vs black boy, to loot or not to loot, or to kill cops or send them
CChuuni
You saw the spraypaint in St. Paul right?
CChuuni
Again, it flabbergasts me that establishment thinks people will just... forget?
CChuuni
like
CChuuni
when ALL THE OTHER cop kllings for the last 30 years caused riots and no systemic changes
CChuuni
What fucking dumbass was like "This is fine."'
Whatson
how many times has a cop killed a black man, a school been shot up, or overseas police actions gone on for?
Whatson
So, what will actually stick?
CChuuni
All those are intrinsically linked you realize
CChuuni
And the system has to change.
Whatson
right, so, we've had the match but the fire hasn't caught
CChuuni
I HOPED that simply by BUILDING A BETTER ONE everyone could just opt towards it at their own gradual pace
CChuuni
but even I was constantly like "This isn't fast enough, change is needed yesterday?"
CChuuni
And I think the coronavirus just really REALLY emphasizing the worst parts of everything is the fuse
CChuuni
this is the powder keg that is already spreading
CChuuni
LA, NYC are kicking off, Occupy already peacefully happened and as Moosey said, Establishment thought they could suppress THIS the same way except
CChuuni
People fucking learned from it
CChuuni
They aren't going to give a fuckity fuck about ID politics and there isn't TIME left to dither about MEANS
Whatson
if this is the biggest one yet, what happens when it fails?
CChuuni
There is no failure or success in riots
Whatson
yes there is
Whatson
when it fails to continue to burn
CChuuni
If you mean "what happens if it doesn't change anything"
CChuuni
right
CChuuni
That's not actually possible. It's too late.
CChuuni
You have to remember
CChuuni
Minneappolis was where Amy Klobuchar was prosecutor
CChuuni
From 2004 -> as I linked, Target kicked off a nation-wide program STARTING in MN called "Safe City" exacerbating and incentivizing police brutality and she, in particular, let them off scott-free.
CChuuni
This is over 30 years in the making
CChuuni
Ahmaud Arbery's murder, the constant escalation of the police state since 9/11 (see also: linked to imperialism abroad affects home grown violence too) the private prisons with coronavirus, the ICE detainment deaths because of coronavirus
CChuuni
This can't burn out until it burns that which gives it oxygen
CChuuni
And this is harder than even the American Revolution -- ie; King George can't just go "Okay you're right, taxing you guys while you don't have any say in it was a bit hard on you, here, no taxes" and/or "have some meaningless representatives as if it'll do shit."
CChuuni
EVEN IF the MN DA + Gov. had prosecuted the cop for murder, it's too fucking little, way too fucking late
CChuuni
As has been said, "There can't BE any justice here, justice would have been NOT MURDERING PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE."
CChuuni
Like I linked that 3 weeks ago story from Michigan NOT Minnesota; that was black on black murder
CChuuni
This isn't one thing, it's SO MANY
CChuuni
And I honestly even blame Obama a little because he RAN on change
CChuuni
This is EVERY PERSON who needed change, and didn't get anything fixed. That's a lot. Even Trump tapped into a lot of them.
CChuuni
There won't be a Dem or Rep. party.
CChuuni
IDK about the states, the US constitution, etc. But this is it.
CChuuni
We couldn't do it peacefully. I tried everything I knew. I wasn't fast enough, and I physically couldn't be faster.
CChuuni
I'm not even scared about it now. BUT I AM SCARED -> for the rest of the world. Because Russia already has been trying to get this powder keg to kick off since the 70s, and escalated since 2010 (See a chance? TAKE that chance!)
CChuuni
And a lot of superpowers were.... let's say "holding back" on account of USA more than happy to use any excuse to fuck shit up (including now ourselves ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy)
CChuuni
So that India vs. China thing? THAT fucking scares me. But I'll keep doing my best. To show a better way and let people come as they will.
CChuuni
Oh and another reason why I'm saying "Yeah no, this is it, The revolution has begun" -- Trump vs. states.
CChuuni
The constitution was already being stretched thin and twisted, but now it's just a dead horse being abused and unless Republicans grow balls to go "No you asshole you're going further than King George you dumb wannabe daughter fucker" then there's nothing left to uphold wrt "law" or doctrine.
MooseChangerPat
https://images.plurk.com/mZnnddBiYcOLfcvLmwyW3.jpg
CChuuni
lmfao
CChuuni
right
CChuuni
yeah Dr. Markley doesnt' do that he's like "No your normal amount is 6 or 10, so you have to change your scale" Me: :\
CChuuni
IT'S NOT THE PAIN I AM USED TO IT
CChuuni
It's feeling like I'm already dead
CChuuni
^ I didn't know why that song meant so much to me two years ago
CChuuni
I MEAN NOW IT IS JUST MY 2020 song
Whatson
there's a better song for this
CChuuni
Ironically not Komm Susser Todd because
CChuuni
I want to live
CChuuni
Luffy-bro was playing Miami 2017 on repeat
Whatson
CChuuni
Whatson
but if Sublime was singing about exactly what is going on now back in 92, the outlook of change occurring is doubtful
CChuuni
lol yeah, I was like "oh this has been since 9/11" and then I was like ".... no the race riots started in the early 90s and --"
CChuuni
WHICH REMINDS ME
CChuuni
So you know the theories about OJ Simpson etc.?
Whatson
i guess not
CChuuni
My Dad's was that the cops purposely tried to help him get off so that the establishment could perpetuate the black vs. white and pretend that was what the riots (see race riots? Even now...) were all about instead of fixing the systemic issues....
CChuuni
CChuuni
I've been thinking a lot about it lately
Wayward Haze
But we won't have the 1776 America Constitution after this. We might not even have fifty states. What makes you say this? Out of curiosity
CChuuni
^ I mentioned some of it up above
Whatson
the Union seems to be very disunited
CChuuni
Basically coronavirus + Trump = accentuation of the flaws in the system, --> see also that
CChuuni
1) Trump keeps threatening to overrule states' laws (which is not a thing he can do, but without proper pushback, we cease to have even a representative republic...)
2) various states already had to form coalition pacts together separate from the Fed. or even other states because of the coronavirus and lockdowns and trade
3) Jared Kushner (enabled by Trump
CChuuni
obvs) has been using FEMA to literally rob private hospitals who were told to smuggle/buy their own equipment, furthermore has been in bidding wars against states, and against other countries -> thereby well.... dissolving the USA as it stands.
Exacerangutan
p. much
CChuuni
4) The constitution was never updated to handle uh. Anything. So there was already a LOT OF fuckery with the courts, esp. SCOTUS --> see also: read Thom Hartmann's book on it, I cannot recommend highly enough
Exacerangutan
I mean it's a big win for the rich and powerful assuming society doesn't collapse in like an 80s Post-Apocalypse Fantasy sort of way
Exacerangutan
it's a lot easier to bully a state than to bully the federal government
CChuuni
5) Voting is quickly becoming impossible in a.... well. VIRAL accelerated fashion.
CChuuni
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
CChuuni
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
CChuuni
Exacerangutan
especially if you pollute a river right before it flows into some other state but you don't care because it's not where you are
CChuuni
I don't see the rich and powerful um
CChuuni
maintaining their status quo
CChuuni
I REALLY REALLY REALLY HOPE/PRAY WE DO NOT GO REIGN OF TERROR ALA FRANCE
CChuuni
and the fact that I am saying that out loud
CChuuni
serves to highlight that I've considered it strongly plausible at this point
Exacerangutan
...well, again, short of a communist revolution or yeah reign of terror, I only agree in that they may become more of an aristocracy
CChuuni
AND MIND YOU I AM ALL FOR "Eat the rich" but again
CChuuni
Well
CChuuni
my own economic/gov/education REPLACEMENT fixes that in all directions
CChuuni
I just
CChuuni
I keep being like "Okay god you gave me the insights, how do I share" and apparently I have to watch other people fight and I just
CChuuni
it's hard
Exacerangutan
so
Whatson
what redistribution of wealth scenario ends peacefully?
CChuuni
It's not a redistribution of wealth
Exacerangutan
a lot of the reason I'm skeptical of predictions of near-term collapse that could significantly upset the position of the wealthy
CChuuni
/sigh
CChuuni
THIS is the hard part of explaining it
Exacerangutan
...is that voting is MUCH easier than staging a remotely successful nationwide revolution
CChuuni
How do you explain a color no one else can see?
Whatson
then let me rephrase
Exacerangutan
and people have been consistently useless at doing even that much
CChuuni
/shrug/
Whatson
If all animals are created equal, how do we ensure control doesn't fall into the hands of the crafty ones
CChuuni
They're the ones with private armies, and all the whatever you want to call modern Tories
CChuuni
By not having means for control
CChuuni
YEAH THAT HARDER PART RIGHT THERE
Exacerangutan
if people are so risk-averse they don't trust a guy proposing to do the things they know they want done because he used the word "socialist" to describe himself, they're not going to stage a revolution
CChuuni
Ask a sheep to use its brain.
CChuuni
good luck, I'll wait
CChuuni
You put too much faith in the people falsifying numbers, the media who is right now covering up the ongoing revolution (see OP statement!!!) and the idea that people have things left to lose
Exacerangutan
I'm not sure riots represent a revolution
CChuuni
While food banks, cops, firefighters, and all things bread and circuses are overwhelmed
Exacerangutan
if that's what you're referring to
CChuuni
And like I told others
CChuuni
People said that about Ukraine, 1776 and so forth.
CChuuni
LIKE I SAID
CChuuni
I don't want this
CChuuni
You watched in real time as my nationalism was broken
CChuuni
I WISH I could go back to hardcore nationalism for USA.
CChuuni
But it's not about me
CChuuni
I did my best, I have no regrets.
CChuuni
We tried peacefully repeatedly
CChuuni
People are starving now
CChuuni
and it's summer
CChuuni
The time is now
Whatson
inb4 people holiday while cities burn
Wayward Haze
OMG I know right
CChuuni
hang on I have a thing for that
Wayward Haze
And as someone who .... admittedly is going to FLA in a week and change I know I may be one of those people, though I ... really am not OK with it.
Wayward Haze
But my mother bought the tickets and refuses to let us reschedule a second time because she misses us
Wayward Haze
so
CChuuni
God speed
Wayward Haze
mask on till I get home basically,
Wayward Haze
Yeah, I'm keeping my eyes peeled for Molotov cocktails, deffo
Whatson
my uncle had a heart attack and is in heart surgery now. I still wouldn't fly
Whatson
I'd consider a train
CChuuni
Uncle Keith?
Whatson
yes
CChuuni
damn :-( I hope he gets well soon too
Whatson
me too
CChuuni
CChuuni
And if you thought that means "Oh it's already dying down"
CChuuni
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZJr4IiWAAEnsYE?format=jpg&name=small
CChuuni
^ 15 minutes ago
CChuuni
we didnt' start the fire....
CChuuni
Police are firing flash grenades again; people tore down the fence
CChuuni
as you do
CChuuni
Australia news is covering it
CChuuni
Russia was the first ones on it because um DID I MENTION RUSSIA BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS SHIT FOREVER? BECAUSE YEAH
CChuuni
but notice: no American news TopKek
CChuuni
lbr most of them are too chicken shit.
CChuuni
I do know a few INDIE reporters on the scene
CChuuni
One's a games journalist
Whatson
top Twitter commentary
Whatson
so when do we admit Russia put the Cold War Pot back on the burner and kind of won it
CChuuni
But because she only went into that post GG well it doesn't matter that she's a minority woman etc. (who also lives in MN, hence why she's willing to risk her life to go on the scene)
CChuuni
HONESTLY I ALMOST STARTED OFF THIS PLURK WITH
CChuuni
"Hat's off to Putin, he finally won the new cold war and got what he wanted. I ADMIT I HAVE BEEN BESTED. GOOD SHOW SIR"
CChuuni
but I didn't want to sound as insane as you all already know I am
CChuuni
Mind, Russian Oligarchs are still pushing the black vs. white thing same as here
Whatson
to be fair, they didn't have to do much
CChuuni
but as I've always said
CChuuni
they only have one page in their playbook
CChuuni
and one move
CChuuni
and for all of time have never ever ever EVER needed/bothered coming up with another
CChuuni
ya lmfao
CChuuni
It was basically "USA uses their chaos against us. What if we just... be Sun Tzu and let them use it against themselves?????????"
CChuuni
It wasn't hard but they did have a lot of people like me trying to cockblock them fwiw
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