So hopefully I'm not the only one who hasn't played through this event in JP already because I wanna talk about it
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So hopefully I'm not the only one who hasn't played through this event in JP already because I wanna talk about it
So hopefully I'm not the only one who hasn't played through this event in JP already because I wanna talk about it
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it kinda only just started
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but I have been told things about F/Req that make me...have...feelings
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oh, no no i mean
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the english one
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the detective story
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i haven't played JP
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but i want to talk about the murder mystery
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i'm pretty sure i have an idea who it was but i don't want to look it up
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or be told
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I should have been clearer. most of the people on my timeline play through Fate/go JP, but I don't, so it feels like everyone else is a year or two ahead of me sometimes, but i don't want to spoil myself on any more than i can help
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the kogetsukan event is the one i mean
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
I have confirmation from friends that if I got the culprit right it does match what the answer was for JP, but other than that I'm blind
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
and I don't want to spoil it for people even if I am right, lol, but I can discuss/assist if asked, or just listen
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OH KOGETSUKAN
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yeah Ialso
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opinions
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and that opinion is "Holmes softballed the answer"
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yeah p. much but i had a hunch since before he came back
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so from what we've got so far, if we assume chris really meant to write mom, and all points indicate he probably did
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i mean, i can only really assume the one suspect
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the only one with a clear motive, the only one with a weak enough alibi, the only one that really fits is the "mom" that isn't Ann
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because
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mother in law
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would have been too long to fit
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er
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step mom
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mother in law would have been the wrong person
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what im dancing around is accusing dorothy, you see
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
you also have to consider that Sherlock said there's some way your perception has been twisted
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
Dorothy is a viable suspect for several reasons, though
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"Your perception has been twisted" just feels like it shouldn't matter, given the rules it's been presenting us though. like it sounds like a supernatural effect that the "rules" exclude
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
he was specifically referring to how we see the characters as certain Servants, when they're not
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
like how we expected Morris to be a woman because he was portrayed by Mordred
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yeah, so i assume that just means don't assume dorothy is some sweet little innocent maiden, but i don't know what else it could mean
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
and whether you're on the right or wrong track here, I can tell you you've already made an assumption that contradicts the game's presented logic. but I won't say what if you don't want me to.
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no, i'm interested. Short of the name of the culprit, i'm happy talking it out
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
yeah, I feel like this one is down to translation
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
an English speaker would assume the dying message specifically meant Chris' mother. but the only one that applies for is Ann. it wouldn't really make sense in that way for him to attach that term to either his new stepmom or his potential mother-in-law, both of which are extremely new developments.
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
the way Sherlock describes it in the last bit, though, any of the mothers are suspects based on that evidence.
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
it sounded like you eliminated one before even considering the alibis, though
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well
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those aren't unreasonable guesses and doubting Dorothy is also within logic
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HOWEVER
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consider there is also a person who calls herself "mom" to tease the boys
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i thought cain said dorothy caught them playing about five minutes before the murder, though, but maybe i'm ignoring her alibi for the first murder
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The alibi for the murders Mother Violet always has is just being asleep
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it's the weakest one every time
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which is what makes it seem like it's not her, but also completely worthwhile as a suspect
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
they specifically mention five minutes before the murder, yes. but... her presence also corroborated the kids' alibis.
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
so I believe we're meant to assume they were together at the time of the murder
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
I might be remembering that wrong though, because I can't recall which part it was mentioned in
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
it seems oddly close though, to find your kid and her friend and then kill a guy five minutes later
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KINDA
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I will say the other give away is
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the 10th rule of the Knox Decalogue
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if you know it in advance
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which if you don't I won't say it but it does kinda bust the case wide open even if everything else didn't
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Fair enough. I suppose Eva has a motive enough of her own, too. I doubt it's as simple as "letting her daughter be with the one she loves" though, i suspect it would be deeper than that
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i wonder if it has to do with hawthorne
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or maybe it's as simple as wanting to tank the merger entirely
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
you still have to figure out the last clue
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
and I'll be honest, it's a tricky one. I thought this would be super easy and they'd just hand us the answer, but you really have to pay attention to figure out how the Servant appearances led you to believe something that was never actually stated or confirmed anywhere in the narrative.
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OH
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something just occured to me
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well, hrm, it probably doesn't matter considering that
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
what were you thinking?
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i just thought to myself the shoddy attempt at slipping the MC a sleeping drug, thinking it was probably cain's doing, not knowing how to do it right while one of his relatives was responsible for all the other times
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i'm probably off the mark though, the more i think about it
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i haven't gone through part 9 yet
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Also sherlock tanked my theory by saying the culprit had time to converse with him for at least 5-10 minutes, so you're probably right, i don't think dorothy had time
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eliminates the kids too
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I'm almost inclined to suspect Harriet if only because i can't think of a good reason for her to be here otherwise
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eva did say she takes after her. and like you're saying, perception could mean harriet looks more like her mother than her sister
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they ARE fraternal
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maybe she pretended to be her mother.
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still that seems an awful lot like a stretch. maybe i'm not far enough in part 9 to hear a convincing argument in that direction, but i'll see
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I'm gonna tell you you're on the right track with some of that
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Finished it, i see what you mean now, damn
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
yep
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if i'd had an option i would have probably still picked Eva, because i didn't get it quite right, and i feel a little rustled that i didn't pick up on it, but i concede that it was there
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Juliet introduced you to her mom and sister. she never said which was which...
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and through the rest of the story they never refer to them by name
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
it's always Juliet saying "my sister" or Juliet or Eva saying "Mother"
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
and like the dialogue choices say, it wouldn't be out of character for Raikou to just... refer to herself in the third person as "Mother"
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right, like gudako says
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blah
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i never would have guessed it before starting part 9
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it wouldn't be unusual for her to flirt with a younger person her daughter's age, either. but that's not what happened on the beach... it was Juliet's twin sister being flirty with you...
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i didn't pick the "you're a married woman" option
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personal space sounded funnier
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
same, lol. I don't know if the other option had a hint...
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even if the answer was painted to go toward either choice, i wasn't paying attention as if it was
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
but you want to know how wrong I was at first? my initial wild guess was that they switched the (perceived) mom and dad roles in the Violet family.
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
because Adamska talked about marrying into the family
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
but there were so many specific instances of calling him the father, husband, etc. that I knew that wasn't right
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yeah
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it's hard to notice a void
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the lack of something is difficult to see
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and you were right, Harriet was not highly visible...
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i've always found this, that i have a harder time noticing when something's missing that should be there than something new that's been added
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likely to obscure the switch that they pulled
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yeah she didn't have much of a major role in the story and that kept nagging at me but i couldn't figure out why
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
Raikou can act weird and you'll write it off, but you can't have the Gorgon sisters together too much without ruining the twist
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
(and in hindsight, it makes sense how quiet and shadowy she was with how much she had to hide)
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
it made me sad seeing her try to convince Morris and Chris to call off the engagement before resorting to killing them, though 
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yeah, worse that she had to kill herself off to settle things
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but ultimately i'm good with this conclusion
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it's no knives out but hey
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𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
something someone on my timeline just said really struck me... that this is a unique kind of story that can only work in a game like F/GO
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
I think that's what I like about it, that the twist is very much rooted in the way these fun event stories work in this particular game
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
where you often have Servants "filling in" for other characters based on their personalities
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it's clever because Raikou is absolutely a match for Eva's personality, but her appearance confused us as to her role
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i have noticed how the structure of f/go really does lend itself to this stuff better than other such games i've played, though i'll admit i haven't played many
𝓟𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮 𝓛𝓸𝓼𝓽
same with Euryale and Harriet, if you look at all the things they say about Juliet resembling and taking after her mother, but we don't see as much evidence of it with her because she's so sidelined to maintain the secret
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also
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you know what mo in smudged cursive could look like
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rrie
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so you know that's also a pretty fair tropey clue if y'all hadn't worked out the rest of it.