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yanno with all of the traumatizing solus has been doing i figured connie's made enough positive progress and that it's time for her to become an actively worse person again u up for that ωαℓєω∂єя 👑
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this is mostly a joke but i do want to thread Something with solus at some point
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partially because he'd give connie big white diamond vibes and that would be. terrible for her in its own way
sailor bii
oh my god
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look
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part of the reason why i play connie as a rocket is because like
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she is the most upstanding and mentally healthy character in the entire cast of su when you really come down to it
sailor bii
Connie, baby, he increased your uncle's psychopathy levels. do you really need him to fuck you up worse?
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I dunno, Dirk likes him
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and i really wondered what kind of bad influences it would take to change that?
Mrs Sheepie
oh my god
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mostly she's like
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been the same
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maybe a bit more violent/rude and more flexible on the morality side as long as they're not targeting assholes but
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i wonder what an encounter with somebody who has unique buttons to push for her, knows how to push them, and WANTS to push them would push her
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i know this sounds sinister and kinda mean but
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idk
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i'm a huge fan of negative character arcs haha
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That's what RP is for though--
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Same tho
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(Also considering Dirk's.... hm, alliance? With Solus? If it would be helpful to drag them down TOGETHER I am down.)
sailor bii
oh my god
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i think connie's dynamic with dirk is very interesting because like
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it's a pulley
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connie lifts dirk up, but at the same time he drags her down
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but not in an inherently negative way?
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YEAH
sailor bii
God it's true
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That's part of what's been so much fun, honestly. Like... playing or writing Dirk in a way that's just "Dirk gets better!" doesn't interest me because it's not. Organic? Dirk has a definite effect on the people close to him, and that definitely isn't a one-way trajectory.
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But with Connie it's been interesting to watch the way they affect each other, not really sharing a direction so much as. Well. The pulley is a really good visual tbh.
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yep
Usagi
Connie no
Connie carly was getting along with this man
Usagi
you'll make carly NOT GET ALONG....
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and oh god yeah like
there's no magically getting better so having dynamics actually Work with the way...improvement WORKS?? chefs kiss,
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honestly like
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ultimately my goal with dirk and connie's cr isn't to have him be a better person
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but to have him remember he's human in a less abstract way more often
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if that makes any sense?
sailor bii
that makes sense and it's wonderful
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that is vastly more interesting to me because remembering that he's human in more than a "i live in a meat vessel" way lets him connect more
Usagi
Yeah it makes super sense
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but it also gives him SO MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES to fuck up in wonderful ways
BANNED CLOWN
YEAH.... yeah, it does, and it's been. Kind of nice? I know a lot of people DO play characters like Dirk to. Improve them as people and I was initially actually afraid that was expected of me here (in VR in general) but instead I've really been able to play him... as complicated and infinitely imbalanced person but still a PERSON.
BANNED CLOWN
LOL yeah it's true
Usagi
and like
'improvement' when I say it?? super doesn't mean 'be nice dirk'
it just means hey be less of a mess
Usagi
youre such a mess man
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that's why i'm considering bringing natsuo to vr honestly
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because like
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HONESTLY I've loved every moment of playing with you guys and his CR with Connie especially. I've stopped stressing about what I want to play because being able to write him freely has been SO.... easy?
sailor bii
you should totally
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i want her to recover from everything that went down with her brother but i don't want to make her less of an absolute BASTARD
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YOU KNOW TEPPU BII???
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"recovery" and "being a good person" can and should mean entirely different things and if i had to choose for myself i'd always choose the former
BANNED CLOWN
That's.... honest and fair. Same hat, actually.
sailor bii
I don't but I'm always in favor of more people in VR!
sailor bii
yeah same worm
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TLDR she's... god, I plurked a lot about her back when I first binged the manga, but.
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She's a mess in the best way.
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Natsuo is so naturally gifted in and perfect at basically every physical activity that she tries that she's constantly, perpetually bored and kinda miserable, until she finally meets someone who is better than her in one specific area and immediately becomes fixated on beating her not because this girl beat her, but because this girl beat her AND is happy
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and she just absolutely hates that and is determined to crush her into the ground because of it
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the climax of natsuo's character arc is learning that this other girl is just as damaged as her but in an entirely different and arguably worse way, lol
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and then you find out that the reason natsuo is such a sadomasochist and constantly looking for areas to fail in even when she tries her hardest is because her physical ability emasculated her brother when they were like super kids and he has relentlessly abused her for it ever since
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like throwing water bottles at her face and yelling at her for it
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and all the time natsuo has blamed herself for being so good at everything while he... isn't
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she ended up like, almost getting charged with assault in beating up her former best friend and karate classmates just because she thought if the people who beat her brother got beaten by her in turn it would make him feel better but that really made him worse
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the manga ends with her after having lost the big tournament having this heartwarming reunion sequence with him where they watched the action movies they both used to love together... only to fade out to natsuo asleep on the couch, holding a van damme vcr tight as she dreams
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it's like
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legitimately heartbreaking
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(I'm supposed to be in bed but now I'm uhhh I want to read this actually??)
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(I will send you scans in the morning.)
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THE BEST PART ABOUT TEPPU IS
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YOU KNOW HOW NATSUO WOULD TYPICALLY BE THE RIVAL CHARACTER
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SHE'S THE PROTAGONIST
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AND THE TYPICAL PROTAGONIST CHARACTER IS FRAMED AS HER RIVAL
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IT'S GR8
sailor bii
okay but bringing this back to Connie. I'm legit interested in seeing how Connie getting worse will affect Akane
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GOD YEAH.
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I feel like...
Usagi
you're killing your neesan,
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I feel like Akane realizing girls can slip and mess up too would be a massive shock to her system and not feel good but. Also be a necessary worldview adjustment?
Usagi
not the BadGirls !
sailor bii
YEAH
sailor bii
like. I don't think she isn't aware that there are bad people who are female
sailor bii
she deals with them regularly
Usagi
they warned her about the ~bad boys~
but never the bad girls...
sailor bii
one of them is her sister
sailor bii
another is fucking kodachi
sailor bii
but their characters are pretty static in terms of how bad they are
sailor bii
I don't know if she's ever seen other girls slip the way Connie is
🌸Springfallen🌸
CONNIE NO
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omg I saw this plurk hella late cuz im juggling a bunch of stuff MY BAD
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s'no prob
ωαℓєω∂єя 👑
As for whether or not he would try to corrupt Connie it would honestly depend! See, he actually values good people, but more often than not people prove to him they're shitty in some way or another, or if he sees them as a pliable pawns for some scheme or another
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Oho.
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I'm interested how he'd interact with, like.
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A genuinely good person.
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He actually genuinely likes good people
Usagi
oh trust me solus is -super- on my list to tag jonathan with for that reason
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Because even though she's working with Team Rocket Connie still tries and is that in her core, although she occasionally has Doubts about that.
Usagi
it's time for...The Speedwagon Effect
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i mean he got along well with Carly, Doom
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did u see their thread actually?
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No?
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In his own canon he forcibly aligns himself with the protags to judge them whether they are worthy or not being his true allies, and when he sees they are actually genuinely noble people, he grows fond of them
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(also i am now quietly sitting here like 'what are solus' opinions of her even, god,) and I'll grab it hang on
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silph_co | Video; as usual there she goes...weavin around...
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honestly if he does like
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basically any research into her from grunt reports
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he'll notice immediately that all the non-pokemon stolen goods she turns into the team are from massive assholes
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is team rocket better than them?
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debatable
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but connie is at least trying
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oh wow that sure is 44 tags
Usagi
HAHAHHAHAHA
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BUT YEAH anyways point is, I am totally fine with him being part of a negative character arc if we can swing something that would give him a reason to encourage her worst traits
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Also connie's cute, he will likely research everyone he can within the rockets
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it occurs to me that anyone listening in on carly's conversation with Solus, who has fictional reality on the mind, will now be aware that at the very least she was from a -card-focused shonen-
because where the hell else are debates solved that way
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AHAHAH YEAH
Usagi
she even said 'duel'...
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Solus: wild
Everyone Else: ARE YOU FOR FUCKING REAL SHE'S THE ONE WITH THE MOST SOCIAL KNOW-HOW!!!
Usagi
HOW IS THE ONE WHO HAS THIS MUCH AWARENESS ON GENDERSTUDIES AND PERSONALITY -FROM CARD GAMES-
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HAHAHA look man its just...in the cards
Usagi
eyyyyy
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Fun fact: even though she learned to cheat the system from Carly, a lot of Connie's turn-ins are legitimate steals from just. The absolute WORST people. Because in the Pokémon black markets there's still a chance that the 'mons will find somewhat better homes, however slim, and she takes it just in case it works out for them.
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But yeah, in his own canon there's a girl who is around connie's age who is pretty good and pure, and other than being a little rude to her, he doesn't try to inspire anything dark within her. I mean, he does encourage her to follow a path that might lead to her own demise and sounds pretty happy about it BUT it was also something necessary
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(he just didnt have to sound so chipper about it while everyone else was struggling with the fact they had to do it)
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goddddd
Usagi
(lmfao thanks Solus...)
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now that i'm like
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actually gonna be staying at home for the long run it seems like and don't need to worry about saving up to move out
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i need to get back on my ffxiv
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god carly even outright mentioned -solid vision- cries
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from what little i've heard of shadowbringers it is EXACTLY MY SHIT
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SHADOWBRINGERS IS VERY GOOD there's like...a middle portion that is NOT my jam at all, but honestly most people are fine with it, I'm just a petty baby. BUT LIKE everything else is SO good
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i just finished the aery when i last played fyi
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so i have a
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long
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way to go
Usagi
pats doom...
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Oh yeah you do. Its fine, heavensward honestly is still my favorite expansion, but SB is good, SHB is good. You only got good shit coming your way
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What data center are you?
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IT'S BEEN SO LONG THAT I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER
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and my sub's out because i was saving for the move
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oooh makes sense! Anyways if youre on crystal lmk I will run stuff with ya!
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Like once you DO know ofc
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yesssss
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honestly once the Escapade and all the associated prep that she's planned with carly is done connie might
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settle down in goldenrod
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since clearing two gyms a week and trekking across a continent to do it is a lot
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and i honestly imagine her getting into theater of all things
Usagi
carly's plan is basically to settle down from there herself so
Usagi
albeit....on whirl islands...
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where the only ones who can judge your criminal lifestyle are literally god and your ex prisoner girlfriend
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Well Solus will be in goldenrod for the foreseeable future!
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Also...he...fucking...LOVES THE THEATER so
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YEAH that's where i was thinking of going with it
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Yeah that's a very easy way for them to interact because he will definitely frequent theaters
Famine
re: servers, my main home is on Primal so if you're there I can play with you too :3 I have an alt on Crystal but I'm a long way behind where you are
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