Jessie
[Literature/inclusivity/race] So I normally don't like to touch the stuff that comes out of the YA readership community because THEY CAN BE A LOT, but this is making the rounds and I ended up having a lot of feelings about its tone and lack of self-critique. CW for well-intentioned people accidentally gatekeeping I guess?
Jessie
Lists like these aren't inherently terrible. They're designed to get people reading, and reading isn't a bad thing. They want to get people reading particularly non-canonical material, and questioning a canon is also a good skill to have
Jessie
but a lot of these categories make me feel kind of. Icky, for lack of a better term. There's something self-aggrandizing about basically receiving a list of boxes to check off and make yourself feel like a good person
Jessie
"I got a bingo on inclusivity. Full marks to me. I can share this and get a gold star for being woke enough"
Jessie
But that's the game and the genre and it shouldn't be troubling by itself
Jessie
But like...
Jessie
"02. A book with a disabled main character" - Differences in ability are certainly important to include, but does it matter how the source material treats the disability? Is it in the style of victorian madness narratives that reinforce problematic ideas about who is allowed to be neurotypical? Is it something fetishtic from an able-bodied person
Jessie
who just wants a willowy protag to be overwhelmed and faint a lot?
Jessie
The Glass Menagerie inspires a lot of people when people encounter it - is it applicable here, or does it get shot down for being the domain of canonical white dudes?
Jessie
Ah, here it is -- I knew there was one entry that made me go "!!!!!!!!!" and didn't immediately find it again:
"09. A translated work (or, if you speak multiple languages, a book in one of them)"
Jessie
So like. The odyssey/illiad.
Jessie
I think that when questioning canonicity and trying to break away from it, there's gotten to be this idea that English is the language of colonialism and that everything non-english is new and better
Jessie
Without realizing that a lot of the big works that we consider to be oppressive are already works in translation
Jessie
If Spanish, for example, is the language of the oppressed, then do we solve racism by picking up a copy of Don Quixote in English?
Jessie
It's just as colonial and just as white as your James Fenimore Coopers
Jessie
on the YA front, if we pick up a copy of Grimm Fairy Tales and just call it "Kinder-und Hausmärchen" on our list, does it count?
Jessie
Do we care about the quality of the translation, or the potential biases that come from having it Englished for us?
Jessie
"12. A book with a POC main character" as with the disability note, this feels like the equivalent of "I'm not a racist because look at how many black friends I have"
Jessie
You could fill this with a Jessi-centric Babysitter's Club book.
Jessie
But should you? Literature is rife with people writing inauthentic stories about people of color. Ooronoko is credited as the first English-language novel, was written by a woman, and is the story of a black man kidnapped and sold into slavery, which is every bit as problematic as it sounds
Jessie
And there is value inherent in looking at this european white lady hanging out in London while she fantasizes about what slave revolts in the new world are probably like. But I'm not sure this kind of list is even asking for that level of critique to come into play?
Jessie
If you're just there to say "I read about brown people" and move on to the next act of performance, does it matter what you read?
Jessie
"15. A book set in a non-Western country"
How does this jive with fantasy/scifi novels, I wonder?
Jessie
Is Narnia a western country?
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
these are GOOD takes
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
like, i know that my country's iconique historical work... was originally written in spanish
Jessie
is Eat Pray Love applicable here because it's about a white woman touring the world and learning to find personal peace in fetishizing/exoticizing asian cultures she knows almost nothing about?
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
that list is very well intentioned and some people will use it for good and to discover works they wouldnt have thought to explore before, but...... white liberalism gonna white liberalism
Jessie
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉 : HELLO DANNI I WAS HOPING TO FIND YOU HERE since you've touched the back end of publishing and know a lot about the bullshit cultures that produce a lot of these things
Jessie
also YES I wish more people would realize that Spanish is as much of a colonial language as English is
Jessie
indigenous people didn't start speaking Spanish until after a whole lot of murder happened
Jessie
It's kind of rooted in this myopic "if it didn't happen in America then it doesn't count" view I think?
Jessie
Spanish is a marginalized language in the states, but less so elsewhere?
Jessie
like if you walk up to France and start speaking Spanish nobody's going to think you're weird
Jessie
you know. assuming that France is walking distance.
Jessie
idk what are words at this point
Jessie
and OH. OH I didn't even notice the last one on the fiction list
Jessie
"16. A book with a non-human main character"
Jessie
excuse me
Jessie
excuse me WHAT
Jessie
so that YA series about the zombie who falls in love with a human girl
Jessie
is the same amount of woke as supporting works by/about underrepresented groups?
Jessie
I didn't even notice that before to be upset about it and now I can't unsee it
Jessie
GOOD OLD WHITE FANG. THE MOST NONCANONICAL OF YA FICTION
Jessie
READ WIDELY, FRIENDS
Jessie
"12. A book about indigenous people and their culture (bonus points if it's written by an indigenous writer)"
Jessie
https://imgs.plurk.com/Qy5/FPO/8FQ3cLKl3IJPIvmBqIiIpZW017h_lg.gif
Jessie
I cannot tilt my head far enough to express my reaction to this line of text
Jessie
"let's explore the strange and mysterious Brown Person in its natural habitat"
Jessie
like someone is going to going to slide into suburban Nairobi and be fucking jane goodall
Jessie
white people over there thinking they'll travel to singapore and have to travel by rickshaw or something
Jessie
"15. Topic: feminism and women's issues"
c....an we be more specific
Jessie
it is now 2020
Jessie
feminism means a lot of things
Jessie
we can't at least narrow it down to a wave of feminism?
Jessie
a decade?
Jessie
there was a time when feminism was a catch-all term for gender studies as a whole
Jessie
a lot of studies about masculinity are published under the header of feminism/GS
Jessie
people devote their whole lives to reading books about gender and sexuality, and it's just here like. "idk read a book about periods or something"
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
re: the back end of publishing HAAAAAHAHAHA OH BOY I HAD TO MAKE THESE DIVERSITY LISTS FOR BLOG POSTS
Jessie
OH MY GOD TELL ME STORIES
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
happy (diversity holiday) read (book from deep backlist because we haven’t considered it profitable enough to publish new shit in 10 years)
Jessie
omgomg so was there a push to market underpreforming texts by publicizing them as Different and thus Trendy?
Jessie
or did it not matter which publishing house produced what you put on the lists?
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
no I worked for a specific house! the marketing was like, let’s just quickly jump on a holiday and add whatever fits under this umbrella
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
and ofc that’s all marketing but in publishing it felt extra shallow
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
also we started this series of trying to get guest posts from our authors and guess who never got credited for doing the initial groundwork for it loooooooooool
Jessie
lol of course not
Jessie
why credit the labor of brown women if there's not a PR movement attached to it
Jessie
oh, if only there was a white woman with an eye for social justice nearby to notice your plight and rescue you (unsure)
Jessie
oh sorry my bad that one's not on the bingo card
ᴇʟɪsᴀsᴜᴇ 💉
LMAO
vex appeal
Wow, that's... very well intended, I'm sure. But also, literally diversity bingo.
sad demon
I am 100% in favor of white people (including myself) making a concerted effort to diversify the kinds of books we read, but yeah, it definitely feels kinda ooky to see it literally gamified into a bingo card to be filled out
sad demon
Especially side-eyeing the “bonus points if jts written by an indigenous author” thing like... y i k e s
Jessie
there's a plurk going around that has many replurks and is full of comments like "WOW THANKS THIS IS GREAT"
Jessie
and I didn't want to harsh their buzz or anything
Jessie
but also
Jessie
also.......... (unsure)
sad demon
No one should get “bonus points” for seeking out indigenous stories told by indigenous people
sad demon
And including a category like “not human” as if an alien, elf, or vampire should be equated with real marginalized groups of people... y i k e s
Jessie
and when you think about it in context of what's going down with the RWA diversity chair getting heat from the romance community because she called white members out on their racism (and was accused of being racist herself because of her wording)
Jessie
like.
Jessie
ugh people
sad demon
Just google some lists of marginalized authors, there are lots going around
☼ zinnia
yeah, all of this plurk brought the RWA shitshow to my mind; I've noticed a lot of performative wokeness in my social circles, and it's a lot of why I have a zero tolerance policy regarding that
☼ zinnia
i get wanting to broaden your reading and to seek out authors that wouldn't otherwise cross your mind bc as it turns out, that's hard to do if you're not actively in that mindset!! but... whiteness is a hell of a drug
Jessie
I can even see how the alien thing might have been relevant to the person who put the list together! In a lot of instances, people use fantasy races as proxies to talk about real racism to keep from unsettling the "eScApIsM sHoUlDn'T bE pOlItIcAl" people
Jessie
but these are things that require discussion and community and more than just the space of a retweetable meme graphic
sad demon
Yeah, and there are a number of authors from marginalized groups who write in genre fiction and use some of those tropes in their writing
sad demon
But it comes off weird and gross when a white person includes it on a literal bingo card next to “a book with a disabled main character” or whatever
Jessie
yeah that
☼ zinnia
^ exactly, and it can be even weirder and grosser when the metaphor falls flat or when the story shies away from such topics
Jessie
or when it's like Mass Effect being like "here's an alien race of sexy blue women with big butts"
sad demon
And it doesn’t have to be homework either tbh... I guarantee you, whatever your personal taste in fiction, there are marginalized authors writing stories in that genre
sad demon
You just have to take the time and effort to seek them out.
Jessie
somewhere out there, there's a black chuck tingle
Jessie
or hell maybe chuck tingle is the black chuck tingle it's impossible to know
sad demon
My favorite book I read in 2019 was a dark supernatural thriller written by a black indigenous woman about indigenous people and culture.
sad demon
If you know what you like just seek it out, as written by marginalized people! They exist, and they’re telling fun stories!
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