duck bastard
[sonic movie] i am unironically delighted
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJMWoyyX0AE_u8l?format=jpg&name=360x360 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJMWvZmXYAANBYx?format=png&name=360x360
duck bastard
i forgot to look at the trailer over lunch, but everything looks, like. appropriately fun now.
🐅 its harry
GOD
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
THEY IMPROVED LIKE. DAMN.
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
like it's legit charming now.
melcat33
The trailer feels fun too, like... the first trailer so hard for dark and gritty and serious, this is the real world meets sonic! but that's the exact opposite anyone wants from a Sonic-related-anything. Whereas trailer is silly and dumb and actually enjoyable, it knows exactly what it is and why we're here.
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
THEY GOT ME with the remix of Green Hill Zone.
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
Like... yeah.
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
Biggest glo up of 2019: movie!sonic.
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
he has such good goblin energy
🐅 its harry
they got tyson hesse in to work on the redesign so like... apparently theyre actually paying attention now lmao
HIKIKOMORTIS
I am now actually excited for this movie
duck bastard
these animators deserve a raise and a bonus
https://66.media.tumblr.com/8c0115fb1c9fd94140ab552b53f100d3/4eb16b47d4eaaa34-da/s400x600/ef67001ff2525d66656d3b098a526e8b234caf76.gifv
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
THEY DO.
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
ON THE REAL.
Peil Wiggler
omfg I didn't know they got Tyson Hesse in
Peil Wiggler
that's hilarious
🎨Drawvember
Here's Hesse's tweet about it!
Tyson Hesse on Twitter
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
Congrats Heese, you are one of the people that saved this movie.
🐅 its harry
yeah lmao they were clearly just like "ohhh boy we beefed it by not doing any research at all, who the fuck is good at sonic"
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO BEGIN WITH.
🐅 its harry
absolutely but they clearly did 0 research whatsoever or lbr they wouldnt have made his buddy a cop
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
LOL
duck bastard
also good news
https://images.plurk.com/4dvMa0WTDcpjYwYM71nF7J.jpg
Doctor Ansem
/BIG SIGH OF RELIEF
Doctor Ansem
Thank sanity
duck bastard
this guy is apparently in the industry, does trollhunters, so he has connections
Calliente
I still have my deep suspicions that the shitty initial design was to prompt tons of discourse, and then they had the redesign waiting in the wings to swing out as "look, we listened to you guys and fixed it!!!" and then use the 'turnaround' for positive hype
Calliente
I mean, I don't have any proof that's what happened, but how utterly bad and creepy the initial design was even if you know and care nothing for Sonic makes it having tested well, to anyone, seem even more unlikely to me than the conspiracy theory
Calliente
Like...you don't need to do any research on Sonic, whatsoever, at all, to have a "thanks I hate it" reaction to the first design
Calliente
So it seems like even more than studio exec laziness to me
🐅 its harry
nah they straight up ordered merch for the first design
Usagi
lmfao rip that merch damn
🐅 its harry
its Bad To Look At lmao
🐅 its harry
also like if they were always planning this they would have released the first trailer way earlier and it would still be getting released in time for christmas
Calliente
That assuages my viral marketing conspiracy theory somewhat but then just calls humanity into question in a different way
🐅 its harry
iirc its coming out like february now? which is definitely not a choice they would have made on purpose
Calliente
How did anyone in charge look at that design and GENUINELY think it was marketable
Usagi
yeah its coming out later than they planned
Calliente
Like, I'm not sure that thought isn't MORE disturbing
duck bastard
execs have terrible taste
Calliente
There are people who looked at that design and thought it was good
duck bastard
mystery solved
Usagi
and the answer is sometimes
execs can be dumb when it comes to the REALISM MAKES BANK theory
🐅 its harry
yeah basically lmao
🐅 its harry
like honestly i literally just think the ppl calling the shots legit thought this was best bc they dont care about this franchise
duck bastard
it's amazing what people will think when they don't care- yeah that
Usagi
and to be fair i kinda liked things abt the design myself it just
phew, Really didn't work great for various reasons in motion
🐅 its harry
like someone barely paying attention was absolutely just like
🐅 its harry
"oh yeah you cant make him like CARTOONY"
Usagi
it's more clear w something to compare it to now as well
like someone said- the old design looks even worse than it Seemed now
duck bastard
yeah the old design is now sandwiched right between detective pikachu and the sonic redo lmao
duck bastard
a terrible place to be
duck bastard
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
Tyson confirmed that it was not a viral marketing thing and that it was indeed an actual rework
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
and I trust him :T
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
yeah, there was... a Halloween costume based on the original design that I think actually made it to stores
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
without a face it wasn't as obvious, which is probably why they still let it pass
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
there was also a super creepy rubber mask
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
plus some toys and shirts and stuff
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
you don't spend money on marketing materials like that if you're just going to change it later anyway
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
yikes
🐅 its harry
god the worst possible thing to make a rubber mask of
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
I'd
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
find a picture
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
but it's incredibly cursed
🐅 its harry
lmaooo
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
even for me, a person who kind of liked the original design
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
this movie better make a fair amount, or they're really screwed financially xD;
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
I have unfortunately seen a fair number of fans on twitter that were like "WELL I WAS NEVER GONNA SEE IT ANYWAY"
Usagi
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
so I hope it does ok
duck bastard
who has no money but wants to see it
duck bastard
because i swear to god i will fund this movie's success
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
i will paypal you money to see this movie
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
crowdfund sonic movie success
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
yeah, I mean... it's a Typical Live Action CGI Adaptation, I do get it
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
some people didn't temper their expectations or hopes from the beginning like I did xD;
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
the general bitching I see is "WELL WE WANTED A FULLY ANIMATED MOVIE!!"
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
ok karen then you better go learn how to make CGI movies because Sonic Mania proved that's the only way the loud fan contingent gets what it wants
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
fffff damn, just. tell it like it is, lmao.
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
that's a thing I've seen discussed too, that they have that one gorgeous CGI shot of a Green Hill kind of place
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
but making a whole movie like that would cost... so much more than filming a large amount in live action...
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
ayup
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
and hey if the movie does well, maybe they'll do a sequel that primarily occurs in Sonic's world!!
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
you can either have animation that, for the mass market, looks like it's for little kids. or you can do this.
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
and yeah, on the chance it is enough of a success, it's possible!
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
honestly, I bet they're gonna have Robotnik follow Sonic back to his own world as a kind of alternate origin story...
Guardian Bear J
James, get down to Vegas, we'll go see it together.
duck bastard
lmao, fuck, when is this coming out again....
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
VALENTINES DAY
Doctor Ansem
*VALENTINE'S DAY 2020&
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
give your SO what they really want; tickets to see a horrible hyperactive blue goblin
🐅 its harry
oh my god
🐅 its harry
THATS ROMANCE
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
and when I say goblin or gremlin I do so with the utmost happiness
𝔪𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔬💀𝔪𝔬𝔯𝔞𝔶
its how he should be
duck bastard
amazing
Calliente
I do hope the movie is good, and I have no problems with it succeeding
Calliente
But I'm also tempering my expectations with "has there been a good video game movie that didn't have Raul Julia in it"
Guardian Bear J
GOD, that's great.
Calliente
If it IS good, though, no one will be happier than I am
Calliente
I want video game movies to start being good so they have to clear an actual bar that isn't just. Lying on the floor
Calliente
And so people actually give those movies a budget
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
yeah my hope is that it's at least good for what it is
Calliente
The unbelievable irony it would be, though, if the Sonic movie is what made video game movies Good after so long of being the worst
Calliente
The thought of Sonic redeeming something
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
honestly it's kind of a pet peeve of mine that people keep saying that... because there's been a lot of ups and downs in the franchise and it seems people forget every good game every time there's a bad one
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
but at the same time... I get what you mean
Guardian Bear J
(Mortal Kombat 1 was pretty good. Other than that? ... I can't really think of anything that I was hungry to chase down...)
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
I actually liked the first Resident Evil movie as its own spinoff thing, before Alice became a god and the rest of the films took bits from the games just to pay the barest effort into fanservice...
Calliente
I mean, I personally liked Sonic Adventure 2, and I think that recent one that was kind of a callback to the originals was okay? But I feel like pretty much none of the others past Sonic Adventure were what I or anyone else would call 'good'
Calliente
So I do agree not everything since the 2D Sonics has been shit, but I think it's a lot of downs with only a couple of ups
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
this is a video game movie, the bar is slightly above the floor here.
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
Calliente : yeah, I can respect that as a personal taste thing. I'm more talking about how the same critics who effusively praised Colors and Generations, the second something less good came out, went right back to "Sonic was never good"
Calliente
Ah, that's fair
Calliente
I don't deny that there have been some decent games, just that the bad ones have been more numerous and have been tremendously bad usually
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
It doesn't necessarily help that Sonic, as a franchise these days has a wild variety of dev teams that aren't consistent and one of the most unpleasable fan bases on earth.
Calliente
tbh, I sort of appreciate the Sonic team struggle
Calliente
Because like...the original games were so amazing and iconic because they were a product of their time
Calliente
If you brought out those exact same games today, I think the reception would be very different
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
the only thing everyone can agree upon these days is that mania was good and that is essentially a remake of the first couple 2d games.
Calliente
So you can't just go back to the old formula and have it be just as good as the old games were
Calliente
It's a question of how to update and innovate without losing the good things
Calliente
Like, I enjoyed the original Sonic games but I wouldn't be that interested in them today; I feel no particular desire to play Mania
Calliente
The demographic of who plays games and what they're looking for in games has expanded a lot
Calliente
I may joke about Sega and the Sonic team but I appreciate they've got tough jobs
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
yeah, and whether you enjoy them or not, the results of all the experimentation and changing hands have definitely been very inconsistent
Calliente
Yep
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
I miss the Adventure era for that reason
Calliente
Things I think we can all agree on, though: Sonic should never kiss human women
Calliente
Let's just draw that line in the sand
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
not only was it my favorite 3D Sonic gameplay style, but the team and direction was fairly consistent
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
FFFF WELL... technically she kissed him...
Calliente
I MEAN, I AM TALKING AS A GAME DESIGN DECISION IN GENERAL
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
I know, lmao
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
and cosigned
Calliente
That said, I watched a playthrough of the original Sonic Adventure and it looked...bad
Calliente
Which startled me, because this was after I'd played and loved Sonic Adventure 2 for years
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
oh SA1 was very very janky
Calliente
I didn't expect the first one to be so...lackluster, especially since it spawned a direct sequel
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
2 improved a lot on it
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
that's just how 3D games were in the 90's...
Calliente
I was just like "how did Sonic Adventure 2 even exist if this is where it sprung from??? This earth should have been barren"
Calliente
But yeah you'll pry Adventure 2 from my cold dead fingers
Calliente
Pour one out for the Dreamcast
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
it was much less bad at the time of release. also if you saw one of the recent releases, those are more buggy because they're based on a flawed port
Calliente
Oooh, that I don't know
Calliente
I just watched the Game Grumps LP
Calliente
I don't know what version of it they played
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
YEAH they played the jankiest version possible...
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
also Arin sucks at Sonic
Calliente
FAIR but he sucks at many games, so I don't judge a game by how bad he is at it
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
ffff yeah xD
Calliente
It was mostly the absolutely hideous lip sync, or complete lack thereof, and a bland story, and bland gameplay
Calliente
(Also I give Arin shit but I'd suck at games too if I was trying to think and talk about shit while being entertaining at the same time)
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
(oh absolutely, I agree)
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
Dude is on a camera.
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
fun fact about the lip sync, the devs intentionally wrecked it
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
Talking to another person.
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
being a let's player is actually pretty hard.
Calliente
The camera adds ten pounds and also a whole layer of incompetence, both of which would not otherwise exist, is I think what we as a society should agree on as fact
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
yeah, I'm not judging Arin, just saying you can't judge a game by his gameplay on Game Grumps
Calliente
/nod
Calliente
Mind you, if I know anything from reading YouTube comments on Game Grumps videos, it's that people judge Arin way more than the game
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
it's the professional wrestling of gaming. it's looks like pretend fun times, but it actually requires a ton of talent if you truly wanna be good.
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
and that's half the comedy of it, tbh
Calliente
Yep
Calliente
Sometimes I wonder how I'd do at it, purely because as someone with ADHD I barely know how to exist without aggressively multitasking
Calliente
Like, I wonder if that provides something of a natural advantage
Calliente
But then I remember the gaming community and what it's like and I go "actually, I'd rather piss glass"
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
like not many people can be skilled at gaming, be entertaining, AND edit their own stuff. also dealing with one of most unpleasable fanbases on earth.
Calliente
You know originally I thought when that phrase was used it meant the Sonic fanbase, but now I realize that's just gamers in general
Calliente
And that it is correct
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
that's part of the reason I think movie adaptations are such a tough thing to get right... a lot of gamers don't get things need to change in adaptation for the medium, and a lot of filmmakers don't take the games seriously enough to give them proper care and attention
Calliente
Entirely fair
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
which is how we ended up with Nightmare Teeth Goblin Sonic in the first place
𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐀𝐑𝐃!!!!!
there's a REASON most anti-gamer sentiment are from gamers themselves.
Calliente
For my own part, I don't mind if things change for movie adaptations, I just want them to be good changes that work
Calliente
Which...is very rarely the case, which goes back to the second part of the problem
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
yep
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
it's a loop that feeds in on itself
Calliente
But then I know I am an actual semi-reasonable gamer most of the time, and that is not necessarily representative of the majority of gamers in any sense
𝔳𝔢𝔫𝔡𝔯𝔢𝔡𝔦 𝔱𝔯𝔢𝔦𝔷𝔢
I think more are reasonable than we might think, but they're not the ones going to the internet to talk about it
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